tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3326826300976351989.post8043071862971198094..comments2023-05-16T04:54:14.105-05:00Comments on The SageWay Express: June Open DiscussionSagehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14329903374007439944noreply@blogger.comBlogger407125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3326826300976351989.post-57399322783633436112016-08-07T13:48:38.914-05:002016-08-07T13:48:38.914-05:00I don't know it to be fact...just speculating....I don't know it to be fact...just speculating.<br /><br />I do think it is telling that Jon never forces the issue in seeing Collin. Just like Jon never goes on Kate's property. I can speculate that Kate has an order for him not to come on it. Sagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08906916414288142503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3326826300976351989.post-75998758638688100282016-08-07T11:07:29.246-05:002016-08-07T11:07:29.246-05:00Sage, I'm sure you have been incredibly busy w...Sage, I'm sure you have been incredibly busy with your daughter and her daughter. I was very sorry to hear about losing one of the babies. I do hope your daughter is doing well. <br /><br />I have never heard that there was a court order against Jon except for here. Would you share how you know this to be fact? <br /><br />Thank youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3326826300976351989.post-86304328954120310282016-08-06T06:51:16.019-05:002016-08-06T06:51:16.019-05:00Over at Bl's they're all twiddling their t...Over at Bl's they're all twiddling their toes in wonder at Jon's lack of action. Others are writing yards about their traumatic childhood experiences in order to excuse Jon not enforcing his visitation order. It's all okay and for the best that Jon has allowed three years of not seeing Collin to go by rather than upset him by an officer escorting him into Jon's care. This is the guy who made money by having RH film packing off the dogs while he called his kids to say goodbye to their pets,all the while blaming Kate. Yet, Bl's think Jon wouldn't call the police in the matter of visitation.<br /><br />Ugh, once again they ignore Jon's own words to live in the world of imagination. Jon can't even go to the court to force visitation because his case is not the norm. Even if someone brought it up over there, Bl would put her interpretation on it to keep Kate as an alienator. <br /><br />http://www.instagram.com/p/BA21XJYSF3q/<br /><br />metcon_incHi Jon, I just watched your interview... You stated you hadn't seen your son in over a year... You get to see all the kids but one? Can't the court order Kate to allow you to see all your kids? It saddens me that you only see four at a time.<br />dj_jon_gosselinYou think that would be the norm, but not in this case!merrywayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15003385150622139910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3326826300976351989.post-56708410646972165232016-08-05T17:13:53.942-05:002016-08-05T17:13:53.942-05:00Deliverence has left a new comment on the post &qu...Deliverence has left a new comment on the post "TLC Block Party": <br /><br />The interviews and articles make him look worse. I can't decide what he is hoping to achieve but it's not working.<br /><br />------<br /><br />Plain and simple. He wants back on TV. He said so in one of his many recent interviews. He's talking about making some kind of discovideo whatever and putting it on YouTube, hoping a TV network picks it up.<br /><br />He also said something about to those who support him, thanks. To those who hate him "See ya on TV." He really thinks TV (entertainment field) is his forte, hence all the current interviews. <br /><br />////////////////////////// <br /><br />Bingo! somebody can think over there!<br /><br />That fits with everything Hoffman told me about Jon.Sagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08906916414288142503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3326826300976351989.post-36845737268900764062016-08-05T12:34:19.585-05:002016-08-05T12:34:19.585-05:00FlimsyFlamsy has left a new comment on the post &q...FlimsyFlamsy has left a new comment on the post "TLC Block Party": <br /><br />And Tucker's Mom, I respect your passion and indignation about this. And I imagine there is plenty of room in your head and heart to champion other causes and injustices. This is a reality TV kids' blog, so that's what we're commenting about here.<br />/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// <br /><br />LOL It is a hate Kate excuse Jon blog....own it!Sagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08906916414288142503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3326826300976351989.post-83837901647170285672016-08-05T09:11:50.239-05:002016-08-05T09:11:50.239-05:00Blah blah blah, regarding this explanation of Bl&#...Blah blah blah, regarding this explanation of Bl's, she's leaving a big part of the equation; a parent has to be willing to participate in the family court process to be reunited with their child/children. <br />xxxxx<br /><br />"It was asked how you deal with a child who doesn't want to visit. I'll tell you how we deal with this in Los Angeles. First, we determine whether there is some kind of severe abuse going on such that it's causing grave emotional detriment and the child should be permitted no visits. That is so rare you almost never see such a situation, only usually in the rare case where a father rapes his biological daughter. Assuming that is not occurring, the child is put in therapy with a licensed therapist, who over time builds rapport with the child as they discuss the issues between themselves and the parent. It is also advised the parent also does individual therapy. Then, when the child's therapist recommends it, they do a trial visit with the parent in a therapeutic setting, a short one, followed by some sessions of conjoint therapy. As the child gets more comfortable the visits and conjoint sessions become more frequent until the child is ready for monitored visits outside a therapeutic setting. The first few visits may only involve the child sitting there and staring at the clock, but over time, they get better."merrywayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15003385150622139910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3326826300976351989.post-64218526135427355982016-08-05T00:10:43.006-05:002016-08-05T00:10:43.006-05:00Anon,
I planned on making a new one this weekend....Anon,<br /><br />I planned on making a new one this weekend.....I have been incredibly busy.Sagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08906916414288142503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3326826300976351989.post-85469629935801808432016-08-04T23:01:22.788-05:002016-08-04T23:01:22.788-05:00Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator has left a new c...Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator has left a new comment on the post "TLC Block Party": <br /><br />I support Jon, but my support is not unconditional. <br /><br />&&&<br /><br />That's how I feel. I'm very supportive of Jon, always have been, and I like Jon. I have personally spoken to Jon several times over the years, and he has always been kind to me. He at least at one time read here and enjoyed this blog. But you can be totally in someone's corner yet disagree with their choices now and again. It would be weird to always 100% be behind someone in every last little thing. That would be robotic. <br /><br />I think overall he's a good guy and good father who made a bad choice here and since he's comfortable talking about the situation publicly so am I to take issue with it. <br /><br />////////////////////////////////////<br /><br />Here is a scenario for you....Becks states that Jon at one time read her blog. What if he showed the kids what was written about their mother. There you have if parental alienation by Jon. The kids got mad and refuse to see him. See I can make absurd speculations too. LOLSagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08906916414288142503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3326826300976351989.post-66535016175496366262016-08-04T22:56:45.860-05:002016-08-04T22:56:45.860-05:00I am so tired of seeing the Beckspert insist that ...I am so tired of seeing the Beckspert insist that the police will enforce a visitation order. It just doesn't work that way, no matter how much Becks stomps her foot and claims it does.<br />Unless Becks lives in some super-duper special county where cops show up on rainbow farting unicorns, it ain't happening that way. For one, police have no way of truly confirming that a visitation order is accurate. They could be presented with an old order that has been modified, for one. In my real life experiences, the usual response from LEOs is that custody is a civil matter and if one parent thinks the other parent has violated the order they advise the parent making the complaint to go to court and ask the judge to find the other party in contempt. <br /><br />Where I live, there is not even a filing fee to file a contempt motion with the court. Attorneys cost money, I get that, but not the exorbitant sums Jon implies. And this is for his kids...how does a parent put a price on that? Surely he's made enough from his interviews to pay some attorney to help him enforce his rights. Of course, I've not yet ever seen him say he actually has visitation rights with ALL of his kids.Courtneynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3326826300976351989.post-33773489640354411132016-08-04T22:55:22.195-05:002016-08-04T22:55:22.195-05:00Sage,
Would you please consider making a new post ...Sage,<br />Would you please consider making a new post when comments go beyond 200? Scrolling on my phone....painful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3326826300976351989.post-84089651427024212752016-08-04T22:09:01.219-05:002016-08-04T22:09:01.219-05:00Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator has left a new c...Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator has left a new comment on the post "TLC Block Party": <br /><br /><br />Kate is teaching her children that you can ignore what the judge says. Court rulings don't matter.<br />****<br />Some of those kids have learned that people are disposable. <br /><br />&&&&<br /><br />That is another reason they should not be allowed to refuse to visit. They are learning to manipulate, and a manipulative adult makes for a nasty adult.<br /><br />They are learning to be cold, to refuse to give people a second chance, to refuse to keep an open mind, to shut the door on love. Four of them have learned that just like Kate, when you have a problem with someone you shut them out instead of working through it. They are learning to be selfish and learning that they get to control the show even though at their ages they are not in any way ready for such a thing.<br /><br />They are also learning to not stick together with their siblings. The bitterness among them that is so apparent will just get worse. It will be us four vs. you four.<br /><br />It was asked how you deal with a child who doesn't want to visit. I'll tell you how we deal with this in Los Angeles. First, we determine whether there is some kind of severe abuse going on such that it's causing grave emotional detriment and the child should be permitted no visits. That is so rare you almost never see such a situation, only usually in the rare case where a father rapes his biological daughter. Assuming that is not occurring, the child is put in therapy with a licensed therapist, who over time builds rapport with the child as they discuss the issues between themselves and the parent. It is also advised the parent also does individual therapy. Then, when the child's therapist recommends it, they do a trial visit with the parent in a therapeutic setting, a short one, followed by some sessions of conjoint therapy. As the child gets more comfortable the visits and conjoint sessions become more frequent until the child is ready for monitored visits outside a therapeutic setting. The first few visits may only involve the child sitting there and staring at the clock, but over time, they get better.<br /><br />This almost always works. It is an extremely rare case a child still refuses visits after such intensive therapy. It's just not very common at all and when it does happen it's often due to parental alienation or some other intervening force.<br />//////////////////////////////////////<br /><br />The most obvious thing here is that they all want to ignore is that there is a court order that Jon does not see some of the kids. Deal with it!Sagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08906916414288142503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3326826300976351989.post-54986150614067820852016-08-04T20:53:58.590-05:002016-08-04T20:53:58.590-05:00Please. Those shows with Jon ending when they divo...Please. Those shows with Jon ending when they divorced in 2009. They are basing everything they swear about Jon on shows they saw from 2007 to 2009. Same goes for Kate. They have no idea what either parent does with the kids... or doesn't do. Except, of course, for the BL's magic telescope into Kate's house that makes her an expert.Quiltarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02934944084243509753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3326826300976351989.post-832175088090529382016-08-04T20:22:21.856-05:002016-08-04T20:22:21.856-05:00The "obvious" explanation is that all of...The "obvious" explanation is that all of the kids have a choice whether to see Jon or not, and some choose not to. Saying that the "reason" is that Kate has alienated the kids from Jon is pure speculation. Michanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3326826300976351989.post-576209278044568832016-08-04T19:32:08.134-05:002016-08-04T19:32:08.134-05:00Tucker's Mom has left a new comment on the pos...Tucker's Mom has left a new comment on the post "TLC Block Party": <br /><br />CC said... 94<br />And I don't think anyone here thinks Jon is "Father of the Year."<br />****<br />Right, and no parent is perfect. However, anyone who watched J+K+8 saw how loving Jon was with the kids. He got down on their level, played, loved on the<br />////////////////////////<br /><br />But, but didn't you all say the show was scripted? According to that scenario Jon was told to look loving and give the kids baths.Sagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08906916414288142503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3326826300976351989.post-1898763006783182852016-08-04T19:27:34.136-05:002016-08-04T19:27:34.136-05:00After what has been observed about Jon he would ca...After what has been observed about Jon he would call the police in a minute, after he alerted the tabs, if he had any legal standing for all the kids to visit him.<br /><br />He gives interview after interview saying the same thing about not seeing the kids and claims he doesn't know why. Please. Sagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08906916414288142503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3326826300976351989.post-69907129982115152782016-08-04T18:56:04.559-05:002016-08-04T18:56:04.559-05:00It has never occurred to them that JON is the alie...It has never occurred to them that JON is the alienator. He's the one going on ad nauseum in interview and interview about his visitation and his lack of relationship with Kate. When was the last time Kate gave an interview to bash Jon? The Bleeps and haters on the blogs keep saying she does this, but I'd love to see the interviews they are talking about, because there haven't been any.Quiltarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02934944084243509753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3326826300976351989.post-45796155076093802412016-08-04T17:55:19.873-05:002016-08-04T17:55:19.873-05:00Lol, "The most obvious explanation is usually...Lol, "The most obvious explanation is usually the correct one." That's hysterical coming from B. Bl has written yards and yards while she twists out excuses for the things Jon has done.<br /><br />Ugh on the parental alienation crap. A made up theory that ignores the voices of abused children. To Bl, it is more important that she be right than to admit this visitation is ordered by the court in the best interest of the children. <br /><br />It's incredible how much of Bl's unbelievable garbage they swallow. They really believe that if Jon wanted to visit with his children, all he would have to do is call the police to enforce an order. Yeah, right. <br /><br />Still no answer on why Jon would hand over legal custody of his kids to such a horrible abusive mother.merrywayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15003385150622139910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3326826300976351989.post-57557162734964204562016-08-04T17:23:33.831-05:002016-08-04T17:23:33.831-05:00Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator has left a new c...Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator has left a new comment on the post "TLC Block Party": <br /><br />realize that you think Jon is Father of the Year, but maybe, just maybe, some of his own children have legitimate issues with him. Or maybe, just maybe, the one child in particular who seems to have some type of issue requiring special attention would not handle that well. <br /><br />&&&<br /><br />It should occur to YOU they maybe just maybe they don't want to visit because Kate alienates them from Jon and they want to please Kate. The most obvious explanation is usually the correct one. Going down speculative rabbit holes usually gets you stuck. <br />///////////////////////////<br /><br />Well Becks, you have been stuck in that hole for years.....and it shows.<br /><br />no self awareness<br />stuck in a holeSagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08906916414288142503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3326826300976351989.post-85185320067050618402016-08-04T16:56:45.475-05:002016-08-04T16:56:45.475-05:00Tucker's Mom has left a new comment on the pos...Tucker's Mom has left a new comment on the post "TLC Block Party": <br /><br />The whole Collin thing is a mystery to me. Just because he has some disability is no reason for him to not see his dad if so ordered by the court. <br />****<br />Wild horses couldn't stop me from seeing my son who obviously has challenges, to the point of being kicked out of school and ultimately leaving to be home schooled.<br />How could you not insist on seeing him with your own eyes? Not be there for medical and teacher meetings which I'm sure has happened and is happening?<br />Although enlisting the cops to make visits happen could be upsetting in the short run, like many other things about their childhood, the kids will grow up and realize that Jon did what he had to do to preserve his relationship with them.<br />At this point, I fear some kids will be lost forever.<br />What an awful outcome and I don't get how fans don't see how extraordinarily sad this is. <br />////////////////////////////////////////////<br /><br />Some of the fans, including many who post here, believe it is incredibly sad. I have said in the past that I wished Jon would pull his life together and grow up for his kids.....he choose not to.Sagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08906916414288142503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3326826300976351989.post-17932097552667804512016-08-04T10:44:12.168-05:002016-08-04T10:44:12.168-05:00Jon must be hungry again. Guess he needed that fry...Jon must be hungry again. Guess he needed that fry cook job after all. He's been selling a lot of interviews lately.Quiltarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02934944084243509753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3326826300976351989.post-76442777155517869752016-08-04T09:58:13.548-05:002016-08-04T09:58:13.548-05:00I like your comment, Courtney. It's true Jon ...I like your comment, Courtney. It's true Jon needs to be the one to set the rules for the days he gets with the kids. If the kids are given the option by Jon, and he doesn't continually make an effort to get them to see him, maybe they think the message is that Jon doesn't care whether he sees them or not. He's the adult in the relationship and he has to make sure that they know he cares and wants to see them, even if they may be going through rocky times with their dad. The casual approach can lead to misunderstandings and hurt feelings. It feels like he's constantly giving interviews about who he's not seeing and claiming he doesn't know why. That must be very frustrating to the kids involved. Imagine Collin hearing that Jon gave an interview and stated he hasn't seen Collin for a year or more but does NOT know why! What Collin must think of that!Michanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3326826300976351989.post-75707333595557320722016-08-04T09:16:11.647-05:002016-08-04T09:16:11.647-05:00wow. I still read both blogs because the h8 on h8...wow. I still read both blogs because the h8 on h8 is unreal. Both blogs only pick what they want to hear, then crow like a rooster at sunrise to say they are right. Wow. Even when Kiat posted here after she , too, left 15, some of you attacked her whilst crowing to the rooftops almighty.<br /><br />The other blog has the church ladies, I have you, thank you for keeping me entertained.frankyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01411450659269867367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3326826300976351989.post-32971014520389481752016-08-04T08:47:07.143-05:002016-08-04T08:47:07.143-05:00Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator has left a new c...Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator has left a new comment on the post "TLC Block Party": <br /><br /> Did Jon bring up again about visitation publicly? What's his end game? If the kids are not seeing him, it's his call to make legally. See ALL the kids or shut up and go to court, damn the expense<br /><br /><br />&&&&<br /><br /><br />He doesn't even need to spend money! He already HAS a visitation order for the children, all he needs to do is contact Kate and tell her he intends to enforce the order the next time he sees the children, and expects her to make all of them available. If not, he will request assistance from the police department to ensure she turns over all of the children to his care.<br /><br />It's as simple as that, and it's free. <br /><br />/////////////////////////////<br /><br />Becks is really dense. If there were a court order for Jon to see all the kids...believe me he would enforce it for publicity reasons alone. Jon sees the kids he is allowed to see. <br />Sagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08906916414288142503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3326826300976351989.post-60012412778897457132016-08-04T00:40:50.214-05:002016-08-04T00:40:50.214-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.belle fidelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03900135512639296776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3326826300976351989.post-47739904546515434862016-08-04T00:03:13.545-05:002016-08-04T00:03:13.545-05:00No worries Courtney, no worries.
There's some...No worries Courtney, no worries.<br /><br />There's some video of Jon's interview.<br />Jon does his laundry at a laundry mat because he doesn't have a washer and dryer? <br />He sees Kate at the bus stop but doesn't talk to her.<br />He's still pitching shows.<br />There's two videos. (I think it's only two).<br />He's really pathetic. I can't believe how he uses his children for publicity.<br /><br />http://www.etonline.com/news/194738_exclusive_jon_gosselin_talks_estrangement_from_his_kids/merrywayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15003385150622139910noreply@blogger.com