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Wednesday, September 30, 2015
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Here it is October already and time for a new post. I want to welcome all new posters and want you to know unlike 'another' blog you will not be censored here. From the few posts we have had I can see people want to discuss and not attack....Thank you!
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I'm sure if your were being objective you could see what Jon is all on your own.
Does Jon have ambition? Is he a go getter or does he prefer to hang out and chill? There's nothing wrong with hanging out and chilling, but once you have kids you have a responsibility to them. If you choose to put your needs ahead of your responsibility to your kids, doesn't that define you? Doesn't Jon allegedly choosing to not pay child support for his 8 kids in exchange for not having a say in what his kids do define him, more than anything else he's done or will do? I think it does.
The answer to your "big question" is that sometimes a person will see what they want to see in their "mate." I think Kate saw potential in Jon, she saw what he could be if he tried. The problem is that potential isn't enough on it's own. A person with "potential" also has to try and keep trying until they reach their goal. Also, having a "goal" is key. I don't think Jon has any goals. Kate wanted to believe that Jon would find his way, that he'd find a path, that once they were married and had kids he'd realize what needed to be done to maintain a lifestyle for the family - yes, she wanted a family with the man she married, I don't think she planned on having EIGHT kids, but when she wanted to try for that third child she must have still had faith what Jon could one day be - but she was wrong.
The toughest thing some people ever learn in life is that you can't mold your mate into someone YOU want them to be, you just have to accept them as is. Jon, as is, isn't much - is he? He seems to barely survive on his own, and barely make enough for himself. That's something Kate learned after having kids with Jon. I don't think it's something she realized before the sextuplets came into the world.
The reality is we've only seen moments of their lives. No one knows what goes on when the cameras aren't around. History can't be changed, it is what it is.
Thank you for the Thanksgiving wishes from a Canadian.
Appreciate being able to voice differing opinions!
Here's a thought worth discussing.
So many on the other blog have shared that they were raised in abusive households and see Kate's behavior as red flags for abuse.
I've read her journal and see her as an abuser, but on the other hand I've read that Jon says she's a good mom-- so either the journal has been tweaked (although she copyrighted her journal) or Jon is lying to cover up his knowledge of the abuse (which makes him just as guilty).
So my question is, to those of you that think she's a good mom, were you raised in an abusive household
I guess it would depend on what you would consider 'abusive'. I was raised in a typical 50s/60s household. By todays standards was it 'abusive'? I know I was a lot easier on my kids..but my life was also different than hers. I was brought up by a strict widowed mother. My older sister thinks my mother was less strict with me than her and that is pretty typical. As a child I was spanked...I did not spank my own kids.
I do believe it was Kate's journals and Kate's words. What I read was an overwhelmed mother who was full of anguish. Do I think she made mistakes...yes. I also think she was aware of her emotions and feeling of wrong doing. Kate has alluded to being brought up in a strict and somewhat abusive home and she is aware of that and where it could lead her and she fought inwardly over this.
Did her words in the journal protray it worse than the reality? Possibly. Sometimes someones guilt makes it worse in our minds than the reality. Jon had no problem with it at the time or after.
I remember when my son was young and I said something to him I shuouldn't have. I felt tremendous guilt for years over that. I asked him about it when he was an adult...and he didn't remember it at all. Did I make it worse than it really was because of my guilt? Who knows.
Sorry! I worded my question incorrectly. I should have said:
Those of you who think Kate is a good mom, were you raised in a non-abusive household?
I was raised in an abusive one . Watching Kate over the years shows me very familiar indicators of abuse. I am hoping that the abuse was attributed to bring over-stressed (although it's no excuse) when the kids were young. I haven't see those abuse indicators since the kids are older.
I do believe Kate when she alludes to a very strict upbringing; perhaps with so many kids she didn't have the resources to overcome ingrained discipline issues. She seems to have chilled out as the kids became more autonomous.
But I think I've figured it out. Those who experienced abuse recognized her old behavior, while those that weren't abused didn't see the signs.
I'm glad I started reading over here, it's given me new insight! And as always, we adults are always trying to process memories and overcome.
I, too, grew up in the 50's and 60's, and was spanked as a child. Never, for one minute, did I ever consider myself abused. My parents were strict, but loving and not nearly as strict as some of my friends' parents. I don't consider Kate abusive. I also think that if she was abusive, Jon would not have so easily given up custody. Kate's every move has been magnified by multiple sets of eyes. If she were abusive, she would have lost the kids long ago.
I'm not referring to spankings when I say 'abuse'.
Clear signs of abuse are an immediate change in behavior (usually becoming very still, downcast eyes), flinching when a parent comes close, turning away, when bring 'disciplined' immediately knowing how to accept punishment, be it bending over, retrieving the preferred weapon of choice, or knowing where to go for punishment. No pleading, no crying, just a complete surrender.
I've seen it on their shows. A few people I know always thought it was cute that the G kids knew to race to the mat by the front door for time-out, but I've seen that look on their faces-- it's sheer terror.
And that's just the physical abuse. Emotional abuse is evident on the seasons as well.
I think she's chilled out quite a bit since the kids are older and she's figured out how to maintain their standard of living. I do not see her as a warm and fuzzy, demonstrative mommy but I think that's due to her upbringing. Some people can get past it, some can't. I wish her and the kids nothing but the best. And as for Jon.... Ugh
Sage, I am going to admit something that I never thought I would say to a Kate fan. When you said in your comment above that you believed the journal and the words were Kate's told me that you do indeed have an open mind and not just a sheep following the herd. As I said in a previous comment, I believe as well that when Kate had all those very young children to deal with on her own while Jon was at work, she had to have been so completely overwhelmed and exhausted, in a way I will never understand because I only had singles, that she probably did lose it and do what she said in the journal. And I have to admit that there are things I did as a parent raising my own 2 children that there are times I remember things I said or did that had to have hurt my children. The guilt from that still haunts me when I think about it. I think that is what most mothers do. I don't go so far as to say that it makes it ok because, first off it happened 10 years ago. It was abusive behavior period. But I don't think any of us on either side really knows everything that happened. And it's really none of our business.
I don't totally agree about Jon. Yes, he is a much different person than I thought he was in the beginning. He's done some appalling things that have, I am sure hurt and confused his children.
All I know for sure is what I have seen Kate do on TV. I have a different take than you do but I think we all look at things through our own history and I understand a little better why some things happened.
On 15 right now someone put up a link to very private information about Kate. Like her income, her weight, her bra size, etc. THAT is despicable! Uncalled for.
Thanks for letting me comment.
Lollipop, I completely understand. I am the oldest and the only girl and took the brunt of my mother's wrath. I got my last 'whipping' (yes, she called it that) when I was about 16 and I had been fighting back. She made me tell her what I was thinking after she'd been taunting me and then she whipped me with the belt buckle for having those thoughts, but that was the last time. I guess she got tired of fisticuffs with her own daughter. I brought all this up to her as an adult and she denied that anything ever happened. No guilt whatsoever. More of a snort, 'what are you talking about' before taking a drag on the cigarette reaction.
It's very sad how some people treat their children. Abuse is quite common among my friends (growing up in the 60s and 70s). I believe my beloved grandmother must have beaten her kids because they all did it. That pains my heart because grandma was so good to us. All that said, I don't believe Kate is physically abusing anyone anymore. She may have been abused and didn't know how to break that cycle, but hopefully she did. People do things from very broken places sometimes. (I did not buy the book but read at 15 her words about 'help me, Lord' so she knew it was wrong and felt bad about it.) As many point out, what happens behind closed doors is anyone's guess for ANY family.
PJm, I like this what you wrote.. 'People do things from very broken places sometimes.' How true that is.
Lollipop, I don't recall ever seeing terror on the kids faces when being sent to the mat...anger yes, but not terror. The only time I recall seeing anything close to terror and I believe I would describe it mostly as fright was the walk in the woods with Jon. I don't remember which tup girl it was but she was clearly frightened when Jon broke the stick over his knee.
I think Kate journaling was her way of dealing with the feelings of anger and frustration when the kids were little. That was written with the expectation of privacy. Journaling is the big thing with expressing your feelings....good bad and ugly rather than acting on them. Her journal also shows the deep remorse she felt.
In watching the show now with the knowledge of those journals I don't see the kids fearing Kate at all. Yes, she is strict but the kids feel comfortable enough with her to say almost anything and everything. The kids have grown and so has Kate.
Thank you PJ's Momma for your compassion.
Today I understand why people see/don't see abuse red flags. What's so glaringly obvious to some is non-existent for others.
I am surprised that I never realized it before-duh!!
It's been very cathartic- and that might not make sense to someone who experienced a great childhood, but for those that did experience an emotionally/physically abusive childhood, they will understand. 'normal' people just don't see it.
Thank you ladies for letting me post here-- this revelation helps me move forward !
Isn't that how we all view events, people, things through the lenses of our own experiences?
Lollipop, I'm glad you're learning that everyone sees things through different eyes. Even if someone experienced the same things I did (my brothers), but have repressed it all, I'm not doing to make them relive their pain by constantly reliving it. My closest cousins and I had a weekend together last year and I brought some stuff up and they insisted theirs wasn't as bad (and maybe it wasn't) and went on to reiterate that my mother, a HORRIBLE person, was their favorite aunt. Who am I to try to change that? Years ago, another cousin was here for a week with her mom and her own daughter,and she talked endlessly about the abuse their father heaped on her - and how terrible my grandma was to her. Right in front of her daughter. Constantly. It bothered me a lot because that's not the uncle and grandma I love, nor it is the grandpa the girl loves. And he did stop abusing them when he realized what he was doing. (Her sister was here this summer and talked about how that girl antagonized their dad constantly. See? Perceptions.) I crawled in bed one night and my husband said, "Can I say something?" I thought he was annoyed with us keeping him up late all week. He said, "Don't let her taint your view of your grandma and uncle. Don't absorb that. That is her perception. It doesn't have to be your perception because that's not your experience with either of them. I wish she would shut up." He was right.
It is what it is - for each and every one of us. Different experiences - different lenses. And that is OK. That's life.
I just want say I am not a Kate fan, I do not hate Jon. I do, however, support Kate's right to live her life her way, make decisions without the constant negative that is thrown at her, I support her right to acknowledge any company/business that she chooses to without Kate or the company/business receiving negative backlash.
I do not agree with everything Kate does, says, buys but I do not live her life.
I think most of the regulars here feel the same as I do - we aren't Kate fans or Jon haters, we are just calmly, respectfully sharing our opinions.
Agree with you Styxmom...This blog has never been a Kate fan blog. I have repeatedly stated that. I also do not hate Jon and have often stated that I wish he would just step up for the kids sake. The kids love both their parents and they need them both.
I can't imagine contacting any employer of Jon's and hound them like what is done to Kate.
What stxmom said. Most of us are here because we support Kate's right to raise her children as she sees fit,without interference from a group of rabid haters who have no connection to her life whatsoever. None of us know what it's like to walk in her shoes. Just because we refuse to hate does not make us "sheep"...
I agree with all of you too. Snark is one thing, and fun on occasion (speaking in general terms), but good lord, leave her alone already. Robert creeped me the heck out. After the umpteenth tweet or post, figure it out - it's not working, nobody cares, and it makes no difference.
She is their mother, they love her, and she has kept it together somehow. They are still in their school with all their friends and in the home they know, and that is a good thing. I pay $20 for pedicure about once a month in summer. Whoop-de-freaking-doo! It's literally peanuts in comparison to her other expenses, which she obviously meets.
PJm...I don't know if are aware but I emailed with Robert for months before his book ever came out. He communicated with me as 'Angela"....creep doesn't even begin to describe him.
Really? Ew. Gross.
Reflecting on life today - my friend's sister died and her brother died a year ago. Her other sister is in the hospital. Their parents are both still alive. How terrible for them. Life is very short. Enjoy what you have!
Can I ask for some off-topic advice? We have new neighbors, probably the youngest on the cul-de-sac, with a toddler less than 2 years old and a dog. The other day, I was walking my dog and on the way home, we came upon the toddler in the middle of the street. Their house is on the corner, and the cross street is very busy and there is a blind hill there. He could easily have gone left, onto that street. I took him home and rang the doorbell and it took his pregnant mom a few moments to answer the door, even though the dog was looking at us and barking. She was not that concerned about him getting out, she joked that he was escaping from Alcatraz, even though I told her that he was in the street.
I just saw the dad and a neighbor at the street, but our lights out there will not turn so I didn't know what they were doing. They stood in front of our driveway and I wondered why but I have no bran on so stayed here. They left and a few minutes later, FOOM, there goes the dog, hauling butt toward their house. They had been looking for him. He doesn't wear a collar. I hope they caught him at the end of the street!
What would you do? Would you say something? And how can people be so DUMB?
There are very dumb people when it comes to that. I would be very diplomatic and ask them if they realize how much traffic there is on the street.
They are on the corner where people turn in to get up this street, and they do whip around the corner, expecting nothing to be there. If it had been a car and not me with a crazy terrier on a leash, that tiny boy would have been hit. I hope she was freaking out more on the inside than she was on the outside.
The dog thing - if they hadn't found him (at least I hope they caught him), he could easily be coyote food overnight. There is a lot of wildlife out here and I hear rabbits and sometimes cats being killed all the time when we have windows open in summer. I see pelts/remains a lot too. I don't even let mine in the fenced back without a leash because of all the hawks and owls. If I see them at the mail box again without a leash, I may mention that to them. The other new neighbors paid $$$ for a trendy dog and then they were firing off fireworks on New Years Eve and he bolted. They did find him a few days later (big dog) and I told them where to go get tags made, and he's still out front constantly, other side of the busy corner, with no collar!
Thank you. And yes, dumb.
That's scary PJ's momma. It's lucky you found him. Yeah, I would have stressed the traffic. Hopefully, it was an isolated incident and he won't escape anymore.
I remember when I lived on a busy street that was a straight up and down hill. I had the big porch on the house and let the new downstair neighbors store their 3yo's power wheel on it. I was already familiar with these people as they had also been neighbors of very good friends of mine.
The second day they moved in, their little boy had gotten the power wheel off the porch by himself and was ready to take off. His mom was going to be fine with it, until I knocked on her door. Once she knew people on the street would be watching, she checked herself.
YIKES!
Thank you!
Is it Friday yet!! It's been a loooong week
Tsk, tsk, Abby Lee. If true, not too smart to hide $ when filing bankruptcy.
Francie, she screwed the pooch on that one! Really, really dumb.
My mom's husband died last year and I have complete power of attorney as she is quite disabled. I did her taxes with Turbo Tax and submitted them electronically, in February. It apparently looked suspicious to the IRS because I am in a different state than where they lived. She is being audited over a little old $700 refund and we're still waiting to hear something 8 months later. The Feds do NOT mess around!
Myob. And find a hobby.
Jon's tweeting/instagramming about his kids and it's fine with BL's blog.
Below is the kind of BS Bl comes up with. Kate's even made costumes in the past, and BL's ripped her apart. But, Jon is always the hero in their eyes.
Jon's instagram has a pic of a lobster dinner and another of mahi(?). If that was Kate, they would fill up a pages of comments. Jon can eat expensive dinners, but Kate can't go for a mani/ped. Lol
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@jgosselin10: DJ Minion!!! Went costume shopping tonight with kids! https://instagram.com/p/81jLpySF4l/
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It's nice to see one parent thinking about Halloween sooner than two days before!
October 14, 2015 at 6:55 PM
I guess it's safe to assume Halloween falls on Jon's weekend?
It is interesting that Jon states on his Twitter account
"DJ Jon Gosselin @jgosselin10 · May 13
FYI, my Twitter is for dj promotion. Not my or my kids personal life. If u mention my kids I'm blocking you, end of story!"
... and yet, he brings both his kids and his personal life up all the time.
He can't even follow his own rules. lol
Fascinated
Happy Saturday! Still waiting on fall to arrive in south Texas. Mornings are finally starting to be cooler but it stills warms up quickly.
With her eyes glued to Kate's twitter, Bl is getting desperate for something to pick on. Their world revolves around waiting for a Kate tweet to dissect. For some reason, Bl thinks Kate is supposed to acknowledge that Trump is running for president. But, Kate is the only former contestant being held to this standard.
Poor Bl. Jon's twitter is verified (though he doesn't have many followers). He tweets about his kids, puts up their pics on instagram and FB, he gives interviews right and left.
What's the owner of a hate blog to do?
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She does seem to be in her own little bubble lately. I think she's really getting her fix with all this filming and doesn't need anything else.
I'm still amazed she hasn't breathed a word about Trump's, I'm sorry YOUR HONOR's very real contention for president of the United States.
I mean, it was a real gift the guy even letting her on his show in the first place. The least she could do is wish him the best.
October 18, 2015 at 10:04 AM
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No, not ALL of the contestants have acknowledged Trump. For that matter, not ALL of the contestants are even still alive.
What does that have to do with whether clueless Kate is even aware of what is going on, a very major news story involving someone she has had numerous direct contacts with? That's the point I was making.
October 18, 2015 at 11:57 AM
Our Fall has arrived. It is beautiful. Except, we are also getting a little preview of Winter. Brrrrr, too early to be this cold.
Yeah, the BL is getting desperate. When her post about the horror of Kate not acknowledging Trump's campaign didn't generate widespread righteous indignation among her minions, she moved on to criticizing her for not Tweeting congrats. to Bindi Irwin about DWTS.
Looking forward to what she comes up with next!
How in the world does the BL know who Kate tweets privately or calls or has a private email conversation with? Oh, that's right. SHE DOESN'T. I wish she'd give it up already.
If Kate did tweet about Trump or Bindi, the haters would be all over it trying to cause a fracas. Then, they would blame it on Kate for knowing better than to tweet.
Today in the world of Gosselin; former DWTS partner, Tony Dovolani, gave an interview where he praised Kate as a mother. Also, Jon tweeted that he is off to NYC.
Kate has been pretty quiet on twitter which is driving the BL nuts.
http://wtnh.com/2015/10/19/dwts-tony-dovolani-dishes-on-the-show-stamford-stardom/
“It’s not a secret I get paired up with a lot of the strong personalities or big personalities as they call it. I think winning with Melissa was really awesome. Obviously I’ve stayed friends with Leah Remini. I’ve stayed friends with pretty much all of them,” he said. “Pretty much everyone I’ve been paired up with I’ve found a way to find a positive…even Kate Gosselin she’s a great mom to her kids. Much to contrary belief.”
Good for Tony! I'll be the brief period he had Kim Z for a partner may have been a wake-up call. She's about as high maintenance as they come!
Wonder why the BL is not endorsing someone for the Pres run? That would keep the busy bodies busy for days. The few of them that are left could have a real discussion on things that should be important.
Yep, Jon using his kids again, but shhhhh, his 4 twitter fan crushes are all over him. The new gf must be bored with him as he seems to have reverted to his old ways again. His 3 night bar gigs would get old fast.
Tony is a nice person, but not the best dancer, imo. Glad he finally said something positive about his former partners, bashing dance partners might have not been a very good idea. Think maybe he learned something?
Beautiful fall temps here, seeing snow in some areas on the map. Hope everyone is doing great!
Oh yeah, this will turn out well. Jon and Hailey hanging together in NYC. What could possibly go wrong?
Hailey really should steer clear of Jon. She claimed domestic violence against him years ago.
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/jon-gosselin-hailey-glassman-reunite-nyc-kate-gosselin-nightmare/
"Radar caught Glassman, 28, and Gosselin, 38, walking the streets of Manhattan on October 20. An insider explained, “Jon reached out to Haley again because he’s looking for some help with publicity and press.”
The Hailey/Jon hookup will not turn out good. What in the hell is Hailey thinking? Wonder what Hailey's mom, Lauren thinks about this. Lauren still tweets about the traumatic stress she gets just thinking about Jon.
I noticed the last couple days that hardly anyone is posting over at BLs. Must've finally realized their comment won't get posted if it doesn't serve BLs agenda.
She has snotty posters who practically eat their own and yet wants to ban someone who speaks truth and calls people out on their BS? LOL Ok, then.
I, for one, don't care anymore. That blog is dead. Thanks Sage for allowing some of us former 'cult followers' express our opinion here. We may not all agree on EVERYTHING but *I* agree with you 100% re: Jon. What a waste of space. Good father?! What are people smoking?? LOL
I see that Kate and kids will be back for a "season" starting in Nov. Perhaps there are some here who can tell me what's so riveting about that show that the kids have had to give up their whole childhoods and any kind of privacy and normalcy and apparently will continue to do so until they leave the state.
saw the light......I looked yesterday morning and the prolific poster at that blog posted 31 times the day before! Wow!
Sorry, but IMO the kids have not given up their entire childhood to be on TV. They have only filmed a few specials over the past few years. Their filming schedule is nothing like it was before they were in school. Kate has kept their lives quite private. If you know what their day to day life is like, I'm surprised, because no one else does!
What anyone watches on TV is their personal choice. Some might like watching the Gosseins; others might like watching something or someone else. What is this family the only one who no ons is supposed to watch? If you don't want to watch, don't watch.
I mean to say "WHY is this family the only one...?"
Quiltart, first of all, I think we've all seen and read enough about reality TV to know that a half hour show involves hours upon hours of filming. Those "few specials" have eaten away their summer and weekends and even shopping, and those kids have never had a summer vacation where there weren't cameras and crew around. The only summer there was no filming was 2012 and that's the year Kate said she tried to get a summer rental somewhere but they were booked. Don't forget, it was Kate that said chaos arises when she tries to take the kids places. She's given away their privacy and normalcy and they'll never get it back.
Regarding what people watch, I've never said don't watch. I am curious what the attraction is. I'm curious what the attraction is to a lot of garbage TV people watch. And I don't watch. In fact a couple of weeks ago I joined the growing ranks of those who have given up on TV altogether. I even gave away my TV.
...Don't forget, it was Kate that said chaos arises when she tries to take the kids places.
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Oh for goodness sake, she said that YEARS ago. Using that line to argue that the kids have no privacy and normalcy years later is just silly.
I must say, for someone who claims not to watch reality TV, you sure seem to have followed the Gosselin story extremely closely. You consider yourself quite the expert on the Gosselin "timeline" of events.
Whatever she said and how many years ago, and what you believe or don't believe about my viewing habits, that doesn't change what I said. Kate gave away her childrens privacy and normalcy and that's never going to change. Those poor kids have been in front of cameras and crews for the better part of eleven years. They never knew what a normal childhood was.
Not So,
This is the Gosselin kids normal. Who are you or we to dictate to Kate or any other parent how or what they choose to be their normal?
Not your kids...not your choice.
I beg to differ. They have had a normal childhood, except for a few weeks a year of filming, for years. There has been NOTHING to prove that they don't have friends, sleepovers, normal school activities. There were a couple of years when they did 3-4 specials A YEAR. How does that take away their privacy? Is your problem only because it's Kate? Or is it with all kids on TV?
I agree, the kids have lots of privacy. Even when they filmed more shows, there was a lot of stuff we didn't know.
Btw, it was Jon and Kate deciding as a couple when they did the first specials and then the tv show. They made those decisions together.
I see on Bl's there is a push to contact Rep Murtz, Paul Peterson, and the PA labor dept. No one is yelling about Jon giving up legal custody of his kids which made all the filming possible.
Lol, I know... maybe they should write and boycott the advertisers. That's never been done before. (snarkity snark snakr).
Rep Murtz must get sick of hearing them tattle on Kate all the time, IMO.
People must enjoy catching up with the family ... Otherwise there would be no shows. :)
Not So said...
Whatever she said and how many years ago, and what you believe or don't believe about my viewing habits, that doesn't change what I said. Kate gave away her childrens privacy and normalcy and that's never going to change. Those poor kids have been in front of cameras and crews for the better part of eleven years. They never knew what a normal childhood was.
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Your opinion is your opinion. It is not fact.
Do you also object to child athletes and boycott the Olympics? Cause most of those people didn't have "normal" childhoods either. Hope you don't go to the movies now that you've gotten rid of your television. Some of them have child actors...nope, not "normal." How about the ballet? You have to start training really young. Nope, not "normal." Etc., etc.
Just what is a "normal" childhood anyway? I am a born and raised city girl. I have a friend who grew up on a farm. Neither of us experienced a "normal" childhood by the other's standard. And really, who cares if someone's childhood meets your (or my) definition of normal? A childhood should be happy, regardless of where it falls on your spectrum of "normalcy." And please don't tell me how miserable the Gosselin children are. If they want to speak for themselves one day about their childhoods, they will. It really doesn't matter what YOU think about their childhood experiences. There are only eight perspectives that ultimately matter, and neither yours nor mine nor any other stranger's is one of those eight.
You're right, Nameless. The Gosselin kids are living their "normal" and everyone has a different version of what "normal" is depending on many different factors.
There are so many actual "poor kids" to lament over. I'm sure millions of children who really know what it is to live in squalor, or danger, without being cared for, without any opportunity for education, without any hope for a future would laugh and then be appalled that anyone would worry about the state of the Gosselin kids and how they are living - with a mother who cares about them and is caring for them to the best of her ability.
For those of you who think the filming hasn't been invasive, by June of 2009 they had filmed 100 shows (most of those in 07-09). The tups were only five years old. I hate to think of all the hours taken away from their childhoods that it took to get the final product. What's normal about that? What's normal about having every birthday party attended by friends and a TV crew, cameras, booms, lights and a clap board? What's normal about only going on vacations when there's a TV show to be filmed? What's normal about having studio lights installed in your living room? What's normal about having crazed paparazzi yelling and sticking a camera in one's face when going shoe shopping?
And speaking of normal lives and child stars and Olympic stars, etc., I don't think celebrity is good for many, adults or children. It messes up ones head. Look at all the child stars and sport stars who have gone to hell because of the celebrity and money thrown at them. The same problems have plagued some of the big Olympic athletes as well. Even well known models get loopy with the rush of fame and money.
To expose one's children to that environment is an awful thing to do to to them, especially with all the junk reality shows that are so popular. The parents are doing it for the fame and money. Many children have come out saying they did not like being on a TV show. They wanted to be normal kids and I'm sure we'll hear many more over the years as scripted/reality TV fades away.
If I had a child that was extremely gifted in some area, I'd do what I could to help them reach their goals, however, sticking one's children on a reality TV show is a far cry from directing a gifted child toward a productive, satisfying career.
Even if they had filmed those showed by 2009, it's now almost the end of 2015, and since then, they have only filmed a handful of shows. Why is it so difficult to let Kate and her kids live in the PRESENT, instead of dredging up every little thing that has ever been done in the past? If you did watch the recent shows, you would see eight very happy and normal acting kids, acting like all kids act.
Guess what? Many kids with your beloved "normal" childhoods have "gone to hell" too. I'm pretty sure our jails and rehab centers aren't filled solely with ex-child stars. There are plenty of former child actors who have gone on to become happy, productive adults, some remaining in the industry and many others choosing a path completely out of the spotlight. You only hear about the ones with problems. Personally, I have no desire for fame and wouldn't put my family on a reality show. However, I also understood that others make different choices and are not inherently evil for doing so.
It seems that oh-so-important "normal" childhood goes out the window for you if a child is "gifted." Sorry, but whose childhood is the least "normal?" A Gosselin kid's or the talented gymnast who moves thousands of miles from home to live with strangers while she trains six hours a day, often under the guidance of an abusive coach?
And I'm sorry, but when is the last time crazed paparazzi were yelling and sticking cameras in the Gosselin children's faces when they were shoe shopping?
Quiltart, It's because there's not enough in the present to get riled up over. What's a hater to do?
Exactly, Nameless, what is a hater to do. St. Jon continues to live an aimless life after giving up legal custody of his own kids. The kids appear happy and normal and Kate continues on. All the haters have is their hopes and dreams of the past for the future...ruin, bankruptcy, homelessness, drugs etc for Kate and the kids.
What is a "normal" childhood? The kids who have farm chores before and after school? The kids who work at their family business? The kids who are so into sports or dance? Your normal is your normal. That's all.
You gals will be so happy.
I have pacifically left 15, and the gosselin SAD-a for good. yes Sad Again dreams annihilated
The admin entered into a fight with me with out posting what I wrote.
I had 3 friends check., but NOPE. she mentioned me, but not my posts. after verication, I pulled my kegs from under the verandah, notified my fellow verandamites, and I am gone.
Sianara DUDES!,,xo
franky, That's just not a fair way to run things. Only self-serving.
franky said... The admin entered into a fight with me with out posting what I wrote.
Franky, she did the same to me. I wonder what she does in real life when someone disagrees with her? Argues her point, then sticks her fingers in her ears?
Do not think admin will pôst my frwell to 15...or, as e say, my final salut... Admin..I have especially, on 4 occasions tried ot post on your blog.
have been there since we stepped away from MOON, I do believe she watches.
You, admin, crossed the line tonight when you targeted me for commets...n
I'm franky, from Quebec Canada, and shove your sanctimonious opinion up our ass...not a typo
we do not EVER resort what you did to me,
I hope you seep well.
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Franky, I can see your post....
But she does do that an awful lot. I love Kaya. She does not back down and admin looks foolish arguing with her unpublished posts.
The rain had definitely arrived to Texas. Hope you all are having a great Saturday. I'm hanging out at home.
On November 2 our baby will be 10. Last night right before going to sleep my husband said "in another week we will have successfully raised 4 kids to double digits are we happy or sad?" While I was thinking about my answer he said "I guess we'll wait and answer that after we are finished with the teen years". He's not the sentimental type so I was surprised. Life goes by so fast.
Franky, you are as annoying as redbird. You can barely read your posts. I hope you just go away.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You can barely read your posts. I hope you just go away.
Note to Anonymous: When criticizing someone's unreadable post, proofread your own.
Thanks FYI
I actually did those posts on purpose. To get people to talk. It got too boring, I posted something ridiculous.
Franky, I would appreciate if you would leave your self described 'ridiculous' posts at 15. This blog is not like 15 we don't have imaginary drinking parties and think we are clever or answer to unpublished posts. The nonsense and childishness belongs there not here.
Franky, I'm afraid it's going to need more than that to bring this place to life. Most comments are made when something controversial is posted. Controversial as in negative about their Kate.
FYI...okay, I will bite. I have a life as does everyone else on here. We don't hang under or over the veranda as you all do at 15 where the interest in your Kate is far higher than it is here.
FYI,
Don't you realize that while people here support Kate and her right to parent her children, they are not preoccupied with Kate and don't need to talk about every little thing she did five years, ten years, two months ago?
Elsewhere on the Internet there are apparently still active conversations about Kate limiting the amount of sweets her children eat, as if not allowing your kids to gorge themselves on donuts is a BAD thing.
I have been into healthy eating the last couple years...when I babysit or am around my grandson there are no sweets. My grandson associates me with grapes not cookies. lol
If it's so boring here you do have the choice to read & post elsewhere. SWE does not have the drama you are accustomed to because #1 we all have a real life and do not post 24/7 #2 we all are adults and can agree/disagree without drama #3 many of us have been internet friends for many years, just because we are communicating on SWE doesn't mean we aren't communicating.
Sorry we aren't providing the excitement you are looking for.
That is why I left 15. How many times can you comment about "under the veranda", "straws", and Rumspringa? Gawd. I have to agree with the anon poster, Franky was a difficult one. And the admin always answering to some anon commenter is ridiculous.
Her blog is finally dying. What else is left to say?
Oh, Tucker's Mom will always find her new big word of the day, but there are no original comments anymore.
I think Redbird and Tucker will be the last men standing, oh and Kaya. :)
Defector
Defector, is it Tucker who always uses the word 'plethora'? That always gives me a chuckle. They try so hard. lol
There is nothing left to say about Kate. I have no problem discussing when her show starts or she gets a new TV gig...but who cares if it was she or Jon who gave the kids a bath 8 years ago?
I think the 15 Min blog will come back to life when the Kate shows start back up. Until then, they're talking about a "plethora" of other things. It's not dead yet, not as dead as this blog. I am surprised there aren't more defectors. Admin's rambling contributions are very tedious. But they stay around. They seem friendly with each other and overlook Admin's commenting to posts that she refuses to publish and her long diatribes and her know-it-all attitude.
I am grateful that my life is full. That doesn't mean that the blog is dead, it just means that we are not obsessed. When we have something to say we say it.
Really! I mean, really! Must everyone be compared to Kate! There whole lives both awake and asleep are preoccupied with Kate! Time to step away....can anyone over there go 24 hours without thinking or comparing Kate to someone?
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Fleecing The Sheeple said... 183
With all of the books written, the various personal accounts about Hillary's nastiness, arrogance, lies and scandals, there is still support for her. How is this unlike the sheeple who have been told over and over again that Kate is disliked, deceitful, lies like a sack of you-know-what, and is a mean and miserable controlling woman, and yet they won't believe it and they still continue to support her?
I see Sage is not serving fake drinks here, what's a gal to do. ROTF.
Just checking in peeps, will have to read back farther when I have time.
Oh the defectors are getting serious, who will she boss around? I'm playing nice here, but it's funny. :)
Have a nice week everyone!
wow and weird, I WAS talking 15
final question?
If you indeed never go under the veranarites, how is it you know what exactly is happening there? Just aski
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Wow...Jon has really put on some serious weight.
I can't imagine that Jon's current girlfriend is thrilled that he and Hailey are hanging out.
Why aren't the Jon fans bashing him for cavorting around with a single woman when he is in a relationsip? That's what they say about Kate having Steve as a bodyguard. It's always fine for Jon.
These people are scary stalkers.
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Kate's nursing license expires at the end of this month. I wonder if she's going to renew it. Last time she renewed it on 10/13/13. It hasn't been renewed as of yet. Seems she's cutting it pretty close.
This year due to the new PA child abuse law, effective 1/1/15, in addition to having to complete 30 hours in continuing education to renew her license, she also has to complete a two hours of training in child abuse recognition and reporting requirements. Seems ironic, doesn't it? Maybe she'll report herself.
Well, I guess we'll find out in a few days if she does renew it.
I agree, Sage. Kate is a Twit's obsession is out of control. She can cite exact dates of Tweets, magazine articles, etc., etc. She scares the hell out of me. And of course she has been checking the nursing license site daily and has an update:
Kate is a twit said... 140
I just checked the PA website, and Kate's license was renewed as of today. Like I said, she cut it kind of close. Guess the date of expiration must have "snuck up" on her.
Pure speculation, but maybe the reason she's been so silent on twitter is because she's been trying to cram in those 30 hours of continuing education in order to renew. Of course, she wouldn't mention that was the reason for her absence because she wants everyone to believe that she's so, so busy because they're filming.
Wow, that is just......I don't even know what to say.
Listen, we sometimes use social media and public court records as tools. (Do we use our very limited $$$ to help the never-employed dude who posts endless pictures on facebook, smoking blunts and holding up empty Fireball bottles and was just arrested for the 47th time, or the single dad of three who works two jobs and can't work because he got injured when someone texting and driving t-boned his car - and now he also has no car?) Even landlords and employers look at that stuff to gauge their risk with potential tenants or employees.
But good heavens, we don't go around searching willy nilly for stuff 'just because.' Yikes.
That's just creepy that someone Kate doesn't know, will never know, takes the time to keep tabs on when Kate renews her nursing license.
I do wonder if the BL is the detective that posts all the stuff on Kate? If and I say IF she is a lawyer, she would have access to stuff that no one else would pay for. Kate really should put a stop to this blog before something terrible happens. One real letter to her would put her out of business or to the law firm she works for. She posts all times of day, so she must be working on the clock from a office. She is playing a dangerous mind game with some of them, and wonder if any of them would act on things. Scary!
The BL is killing me tonight with her great insider insights into the entertainment industry. Until now, I thought casting agents were looking for "talent" when they cast babies in roles, but now I understand they are looking for other qualities. All those immensely talented infants out there are getting screwed. Where are their advocates?
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Ass-istant to Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 184
In terms of casting dogs or babies, I think that's a different set of rules. That does seem to be more of a right place right time thing. I've heard numerous stories of twins, or dogs, who were cast in whatever role who just heard about it through a friend of a friend or saw a flyer. They're actually not looking for "talent", they're looking for dogs and babies with good temperament, patience, and self control. I once met a casting agent at Petsmart who came there to some adoption event I was attending. She would talk to anyone interested. I absolutely do not have the schedule to try to get my dog some gigs, but that was a right place right time thing I'm sure for someone.
serious mental health issues, if you're so concerned, why don't you write a letter to her law firm?
How about the poster who wants to know what college Em goes to (probably so she can write a letter of her own to Em's acting coach?)
What I want to know: where do people find the time to do these things??
Let's make one thing clear here...In no way shape or form do I encourage anyone to contact Beck's employer. It is no ones business how she conducts herself in her employment. That is hater mentality to want to contact the employer.
Becky has such an exalted opinion of herself. While I used to post there I sent her an e mail and called her Becky. She answered my e mail and said I prefer to be called Admin. I sat down and laughed at that.
Don't you all feel sorry for people in Becks life?...co workers, family etc. What an absolute bore she must be.
Seems like a right fighter. What is wrong with agreeing to disagree or just simply lettiing things go? Arguing and debating until someone just gives up doesn't indicate a win.
A former poster said...
Becky has such an exalted opinion of herself. While I used to post there I sent her an e mail and called her Becky. She answered my e mail and said I prefer to be called Admin. I sat down and laughed at that.
Oh, pleaaaaaasssssssse post that email!! Have a feeling there's many who would like to see THAT! LOL
33 new comments in 24 hours and 1/3 are from Tucker's Mom aka Kate is a Twit and the other 1/3 are from admin. BORING!!!!!!!
Whit
I never said I would write anyone, Kate and her family might would do it. It's creepy scary what she has done and continues to do. If you find Bec's behavior normal, so be it. I find it unstable and I would worry for my family if I was Kate. That is all. My opinion only.
I never said what I think becky says is anywhere close to normal. To be honest...I don't think Kate knows anything about her or her blog or cares about it if she did.
Happy Halloween!! My storm trooper & grim reaper are happy and tired. We had hot, humid and rain tonight. Tomorrow we are going to watch our Texans. Hope they can get a win.
Sage, A few months ago we were talking about the books about Rosemary Kennedy. I've just finished Rosemary: The Hidden Kennedy Daughter by Kate Clifford Larson. It's a tragic story but definitely worth reading and MUCH better than the sample of the previous book! Thought you'd like to know...
Quiltart....I read it too...the same book you just read not the other one. It was just so sad and tragic. In my opinion, I think Rosemary was the prettiest Kennedy girl.
Without a doubt, she was absolutely beautiful... The best looking of all of them.
Ouitart and Sage,
That is on my read list this winter. Thanks for the review.
Hope everyone had a great spooky weekend, the temps were great for the ghosts and goblins. :)
oh, anyone want to join me in celebrating the (FINALLY!)demise of The Blogging Lawyer, aka becky, aka Rebecca, aka owner of underaged birth video website, stupid blog that was REALLY about how much smarter and RIGHT she was??
Take screenshots of her best posts, chances are it'll be gonegonegone in a few days! WHEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
Happy Noverber everyone!! (A day late). My baby is 10 today. Time flies.
Our Halloween was wonderful. It was busy fun with great weather most of the week. It's always better when you don't have to wear a Winter coat when begging for treats.
Happy 10th to your baby stxmom! I remember when he was starting Kindergarten.
Another brilliantly insightful comment from Tucker's Mom. Jon is going to "teach those boys to be men" according to her. Yeah, men who drift through life with shifting career "goals" because they can't hold down a job, men who don't pay child support, etc. Yep, he's a dream role model, that one.
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Tucker's Mom said... 124
I don't get how the sheeple always discount and marginalize Jon. He's going to teach his boys to be men, and it doesn't necessarily involve doing the crap stinky house work!
November 2, 2015 at 8:31 AM
I wonder who does TM's crappy stinky housework? Judging by the amount of time she spends under the veranda, my guess would be no one.
Thanks merryway!
What's wrong with teaching boys to do housework?
Anytime Kate mentions her parents or childhood, BL twists it into Kate slamming her parents. No matter how innocuous the statement, Bl has to put her special spin on it.
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@Kateplusmy8 14h14 hours ago
@michellemac65 totally agree (4 the record I wasn’t allowed until I was an adult but color isn’t permanent so I say go for it!I love hers!)
Ass-istant to Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 39
(4 the record I wasn’t allowed until I was an adult but color isn’t permanent so I say go for it!I love hers!)
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Lol, she never disappoints. Has to get in a subtle dig at her parents and of course make it all about herself. The tweet wasn't about her, who the hell cares what Kate did or didn't do as a child? Naturally her parents were soooo much stricter than awesome her. I wish she would get therapy to get over her not-so-bad childhood.
As far as color not being permanent, sort of. If your hair is that dark and you're going to continue to give it a pounding with dyes and bleaches, you could do permanent damage to it. I really don't care about a little teen experimentation, but it should be left at that or risk ruining what was beautiful hair.
November 4, 2015 at 5:05 PM
It's BL who never disappoints. She takes one tweet and turns it into whatever she wants. How exactly is saying you weren't allowed to dye your hair as a kid a "subtle dig" at your parents? It sounds like a statement of fact to me, and not a bad rule, either. But Kate talks about herself on her Twitter account and it's WRONG! lol
As for "who the hell cares" about ANYTHING that Kate does or says? Clearly, BL cares more than anyone. If she didn't care then that blog where she posts her rants about anything Kate Gosselin does wouldn't exist. When's BL going to realize that? It's been years.
They get upset when she doesn't tweet. Then they get upset when she does and they get upset about what she tweets. She didn't tweet at all because the kids were with Jon. But she was tweeting last night because they were home.
Actually, I wish that dark hair of Cara's hadn't been dyed because it is permanent and damaging. The first time I got highlights in my very dark hair, I was surprised how dry the streaks were, as they basically stripped the color out of the hair. I had to be very careful to use conditioner and all that, which I don't do every day because I have oily hair. I was happy when it finally grew out and was cut off. But you know what? It's her hair and she can do what she wants! If she wants it and her mom approves of it and pays, who cares??? I see elementary school kids with colored hair. It's a different time now. Big whoop!
I love the BL's "who the hell cares" comment, as it once again demonstrates her complete lack of self-awareness. Such a comment from a woman who liked to weave stories about her childhood into her show recaps and who just the other day managed to talk about herself in the context of a discussion of some Paul Peterson post:
"A fun fact is that a couple years ago I argued a case in front of the same judge who wrote the opinion on this case, Justice Turner.....so that's cool! He was very nice to me."
Who the hell cares, Becky?
That reminded me of the case that Paul Petersen took to the California Supreme Court a few years ago and the court told him to mind his own business...
I get where he wants to advocate for kids in show business but he does go over the top at times...and you never hear where anyone supports his point of views.
Paul Peterson was just trying to make money off of others fortune for having a show. On his web sight he was selling old versions of his childhood program. Tsk tsk. He also supported a theater camp for child actors. Maybe the BL should research his true past, just saying.
Hollywood has NEVER mentioned him, they employ kids everyday. Didn't he lose in a CA court concerning this issue?
Horrified, I thought the same thing. The banjo reference is used often, but the pig squealing? No. Even if it's male-on-male with a hillbilly, there is NOTHING funny about that.
Oh good grief. I'm no Michelle Duggar fan, but I don't think forgetting the age of one of your zillion children is a sign of being a sociopath.
The BL's post, on the other hand, is a sure sign that she might be an idiot.
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Ass-istant to Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 124
When asked how old Jessa is, she struggled to remember but eventually said, ‘She’s 24.' Her daughter is in fact 23.
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You know what, I'm going to say it. I think Michelle could be a sociopath.
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