I was questioning him about the chicken story that he had posted on my blog as 'Al'. He told me it was not him but his 'sister' that did that...right. Same IP. I don't think he knew at the time I had a tracker and was scrambling. He was somewhat angry with me because people on my blog at the time did not believe he was an 'insider' and were questioning him and me.
I was asked at the time to keep the conversation going with him and to say what I had to to do it.
The following email is Hoffman's words and I do not know how truthful some of them are. I did ask someone about Hoffman making the birthday memory picture books and giving them to Kate and I was told that was untrue. Hoffman also sent me a few pictures that he took. I have never seen those pictures published anywhere.
It is the full email and nothing was taken out or edited.
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When you wrote in the comments tonight about Jon supposedly lettting the chickens out, it triggered a memory for me...you have posted on the SWE before, as I believe Al. At that time you wrote almost the same thing.
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Hi, Just checked email.
Nothing going on at all. This is my first time posting but my sister has posted from the same computer, allowing you to verify the IP address. Not that difficult to do as you know. If I was trying to hide my identity/IP address for whatever reason, I'd email you from Starbucks or another wireless hotspot.
Your bloggers are very loyal to Kate and I knew that going in. I just read some of the comments before checking email only to see speculation that because of the photos I sent, that would mean I'm the fired babysitter and only hear things through someone close to Jon. I think you know better. I would also put out there that if I wanted to hurt Kate as some have implied, why would I communicate with a blog who, besides the diehards, I can't imagine more than 100 people on Earth know exists, no disrespect intended. If my intention was to hurt Kate, or Jamie, or anyone, I would give my information or my proof to 15, or Preesi and let them run with it.
I'm very close to Jon. He's my friend, but like you, I'm not an idiot and not fooled by him in the least. The one thing he is with me is honest and for whatever reason, he chooses to trust me. As much as I like him because he's fun to be around, I'm not a little bit impressed by his decision making. He's not a good parent as far as being nurturing and putting his children's needs before his. Ellen is not a good future parent. She's young an immature. She makes jokes about some of the little kids that a parent would find repulsive, as I do.
I have no motive whatsoever in posting on your blog and the information I've given you has been only to proove my closeness to the situation. I'm Jon's only real friend right now, besides Ellen. I helped him move out of Kate's house. I helped him move into and out of his apartment. I helped him move into his new house. Just he and I. There is nobody else. I make no money from this family at all and never have. I've loaned Jon money to fill his gas tank and buy food for the kids during his custody. To date, Jon owes me a lot of money. I don't care about that because I know he's in a bad spot right now and he's taking care of 8 kids.
I photographed the sextuplets 6th and 7th birthday parties at Jon's - and gave Kate photo books to keep as cherished memories. If I had motives, those photos would have been seen by the public, no?
I've photographed Jon and Ellen for the past year for Jon to sell the images to the tabloids to make money to pay his bills and pay his child support. The first image you saw of Ellen, from the Green Turtle in Maryland, was taken by me.
I know Jon's family very well and I know Kate's most trusted nanny and the kid's favorite nanny in the world that has since been let go, very well. I know Kate's long-time handyman, very well.
I was just looking to talk and you've really done nothing to confirm to your people 100% that I'm legit.
I'd be more than happy to put my identity on the table for you all, but why would I, when I'm communicating with people named Sage, CoCoPuff, BarHopper, Zorro etc.
Here are 2 photos (second coming in sep. email as it's too large for you I think.) that have never been seen, from this past Winter. THey needed money but nobody was interested in purchasing them from Jon and Ellen. I take the pictures, put them on a disc and give them to them to sell.
If you check the image numbers, you'll see I sent one from the beginning and end of the set. There were 301 images in between of them enjoying a day in town.
I'd like you put to rest on your blog once and for all whether or not I'm close to the situation and please once and for all clear up that I've stated from the very beginning that I was close to Jon and not Kate. But whether you or anyone else wants to believe it, there is NOBODY here close to Kate. Nothing I say about Kate comes directly from Jon. Please also find a way to put that to rest. As I've told you, I hear Kate on speakerphone. I don't hear stories from Jon.
I'm going out to enjoy a few baseball games with family. You decide how you want to handle it. I'm not mad at you. Just frustrated.
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I can't help it.
I see desperation.
Like I have said, Trip, the guy has issues. LOL
Sage, in one of the previous emails you've posted, didn't RH say that Jon was a liar??
Issues indeed! If he was Jon's friend, hate to see what his enemy is like!
One thing Jon & Robert have in common is LYING!
He writes that he is one of Jon's only friends and that Jon trusts him...yet he went through Jon's apartment and took pictures of everything.
Hoffman emails with me and sends me pictures of some of the things he took and took pictures of from Jon's apartment. He does not in the least know me. Some friend.
This email shows the true Robert Hoffman.
Jon puts Kate on speakerphone for this sick puppy's enjoyment? No wonder they only communicate via text now. Can't blame Kate for that decision.
Something tells me that RH caused a LOT of problems with Kate, beginning with Jon letting him in the house in the first place. With people like him hanging around, it's no wonder Kate banished him from the house!Can you imagine Kate coming home to the house after one of Jon's weekends at the house to find that he had let one of the paps hang around all weekend! Poor judgment? I'd say so!
According to Hoffman Jon puts everyone on speaker. I think Hailey said that one time too.
Jon had let Michael Lohan hang out at the house one time too. I remember seeing him there with a camera.
Jon was and is just so clueless.
Hoffman sure talks out of both sides of his mouth.
"I make no money from this family at all and never have."
Wow, such a liar. He sure was trying to prove himself Sage.
I remember Hailey saying that Jon would put Kate on the speaker.
What I find funny is the amount of effort BL is putting forth to completely ignore these emails. They hang onto every word RH tweets and his raggedy book is gospel. But, pay not attention his sneaky emails.
Deny deny deny.
Lol
This is all so interesting. Sage, do you think he wanted any more from you than to see which side would make a more gullible audience? He's an odd one.
Was the making Kate a picture book of memories just what he fantasized doing? Or does he just lie so easily to suit his purpose.
I sense anger in this email because I wasn't doing what he wanted. He wanted me to tell everyone what he was telling me and I didn't do it.
Some of the posts he made on the blog I deleted because I thought they revealed too much. He did not like that.
DI,
He would ask me what I thought about like what happened to Beth ect. I think he wanted stuff for the book he was writing. He got a lot from the BL's posters unknowingly by them.
I gotta tell you all something really funny.
When Hoffman came out with the first book he was posting as himself on the BL's. Doing a victory lap if you will. I came on and posted there at the time as 'AngelaR'. All of sudden he said he had to go. LAMO.
This sure is twisted Sage, RH backed himself in a corner with all his lies. He wanted to tell you what to say and do, he could not control you! You can read his anger towards you and your posters when he lost the battle in his own mind. Jon hanging with this creep shows Jon did not care about his kids, they used them for a few quarters.
The BL's hero lied to all of them, yet she continues in her tiny sandbox over there. :)
I had a short email exchange with Hoffman as Hoffman this past September.
He did not outright admit to his Angela days but did blast me for contacting Kate's people with the emails he sent me as Angela. I answered him with a you pretended to be someone you were not.
I told him he needed to stop his obsession with Kate and pay attention to his own family. And I wished him peace.
Priceless Sage, he wanted to brag to you he had all the scoop on Kate, whether it was lies or not.
Poor Angela (RH) messed up big time and now his creditability is shot to hell. I would be very afraid if I was Kate or if the kids were still be stalked by him. His community has to be embarrassed by what he has done, or should be.
I always wondered why Kate didn't get a protection order on him?
I hope he took your advice Sage. He comes off as aimless to me in those emails. JMO
DI,
In reading those emails now knowing what I do I don't think he sounds aimless as much as someone on a mission.
He has been wrapped up in the Gosselins since 2005. Who does that??
In the first book...not sure about the second...he talks about going through Kate's garbage after Christmas 3 years in a row. Who does that?
Do you all remember the tweets he was sending to her about there being consequences for her actions? Who does that?
None of this, the book, the tweets, the over the top blog with all the negative links to rag mags has anything to do with the kids. You do not 'protect' or 'save' kids by stalking the mother for 5 years!
Sage,
9 years, and he continues on, something off and scary about it all.
It reminds me when he bragged about looking under the door at his daughters dance class to watch the little girls, who does that? He seemed to think this was normal, and had no regard for the other children in the class.
He wanted no advice from anyone, he was going to save the children from their parents, yet today, nothing has changed except Jon gave up his legal rights over the children. Make you wonder if any of this contributed to the court case, with Jon signing over his legal rights to Kate.
Where is Jon today?
Good grief! Now they are diagnosing the kids.
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jillygee and JMO -- NOBODY called the kids a psych diagnosis. Pants On Fire and I both said that behavior we observed on the show raised red flags. Another poster said that one of the kids may have special needs. NO psych diagnosis. And BTW -- "special needs" doesn't necessarily mean mental limitations. A child with special needs requires extra support in the classroom, for a variety of reasons, which can include vision problems, hearing loss, motor limitations like cerebral palsy or muscular dystrophy, seizures, cognitive delays, attention deficit disorder, or behavioral issues.
Robby's been at it since 2005?! I guess I should have done the math, but that shocks even me.
I also think that one of Hoffman's goals was to try and find out who Sage was.
I read the emails from the beginning as Sage received them and I think that was a small part of it. I think I remember him saying something about the Taco Bell story and how mad Jon was and how badly he wanted to find out who Sage was.
I think that Hoffman thought Sage was some little old lady that could be played and manipulated. Little did he know.
Whoa. RH really seemed desperate that you wouldn't do as he says. No wonder he went to the bleeple.
What Twitter "meltdown?" She made a few innocuous tweets about only having a couple of kids around and posted a picture of the bird and these freaks have droned on endlessly about how she was obviously drunk, insane, etc., etc.
If they want to diagnose psych. disorders, a look in the mirror for many of them probably would be a good place to start.
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Thanks to all who tried to help us follow the twitter meltdown this weekend. I'm not totally clear what she was saying but she was a big mess. I can't tell if her problem is alcohol, drugs, mental illness, or a combination. Whatever it is, it has gotten worse.
I think deep down she doesn't want to be alone. She is terrified of being alone. She is starting to realize how alone she really is. Her only way to get attention is this twitter mess. Sure she had 2 children at home. We say then spend time with them and enjoy them. I bet she waited too long and it's too late. Maybe even the golden child rejects her and won't snuggle and watch tv or whatever Kate likes to do. Kate doesn't have the love, warmth, or imagination to figure out how to engage the kids at this point.
Ruh roh. I'm sure I saw "congratulating yourself" listed in the DSM-V as a sign of numerous personality disorders, starting of course with narcissism. Get thee to a mental health professional, stat! I'm fairly certain in-person treatment will be required.
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Yes, Jon probably did say that because, unlike TFW, he isn't a parental alienator and he loves hid kids more than he hates TFW.
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And this is what they don't get. There was a time when Jon made a real effort to be supportive of their relationship no matter what his ongoing issues with Kate are. His children love their mother, there is no doubt about that, and unlike Kate, he understands that it is not his place to come between that no matter what he thinks of her. Rather, he is to support that relationship.
With the exception of a few moments of frustration like when he was gone for a long time and she wouldn't let him speak to his children, we know he's said nice things about Kate, no screen capture required. Or more commonly, he says nothing at all. Good. This is how normal people who are not obsessed alienators behave. Shows he's a bigger person than she is.
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Because Kate wouldn't let him talk to the kids on Couples Therapy Jon gets frustrated! Was this before or after he masturbated on the show?
Jon cheated publically on Kate. Jon went on TV and said he despised her. Jon called Kate an asshole and wish she would fucking die and stood by while his girlfriend called Kate a bitch on TV. Jon says Kate needs a psych eval (he states he has had many) on TV. No he is not a parental alienator.
Becks...no self awareness.
Has anyone read the latest lame ROL article? Duh, I think it is a given that the voice overs are scripted.
Who is dumber here? Hoffman who admittedly dug through garbage to find this gem or Radar thinking that this is a revelation.
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/07/kate-gosselin-scripted-voice-overs-jon-and-kate-plus-8/
Nameless,
I think it would be far more interesting if Becks would reveal how many subscriptions she sold for 19.95 to her birth fetish site.
I wonder if any her posters on 15 originated from the birth fetish site. hmmm I could see it.
I've come to the conclusion that the more Radar posts excerpts of the book, the stupider they, and RH, look. People are beginning to realize that this is a vendetta against Kate.
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She's mentally ill and playing games. Don't....engage.
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BL telling her bleeps not to respond to Kate's tweet. I wonder if they all clicked their heels and said heil.
If Kate is so mentally ill as BL diagnosed what does that say about BL to have a blog devoted to harass a mentally ill person.
Do you think ROL is trying to make Hoff look absurd with these articles? Anyone who watches the show should be able to tell what is written down and read by either Jon or Kate in order to explain what's happening. All shows do it and you don't have to dig through trash for that non scoop.
The crazies respond in typical fashion (EEK! the show was SCRIPTED!! It's not REAL! It's all Kate's fault and she is such a ...) and everybody else says, yeah of course you can tell when the explanations for what's going on in the show were written down and all shows do that, but that doesn't mean the WHOLE show is scripted. It's not news and it's not shocking, it's obvious.
Always a double edged sword for those wacky haters. If they think the show wasn't real then they can happily claim that Jon wasn't really an idiot - he was just written that way! Yay! But then they'd also have to say that Kate wasn't really "mean" she was just written that way. Ugh. No winning for those dastardly haters. LOL
Micha,
I was thinking the same thing! This made Hoffman look really obsessive and hateful. Really! going through garbage for this?
It makes you wonder if he doesn't take her garbage home and caress it.
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Thank you Jeanne.
I was spanked too, very hard enough to induce sobs, and I did not like it or find it one bit effective. As an adult, I had a discussion with my parents about it and I think we all found it really helpful.
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I wonder if this is why she wrote that anger filled post about her parents some time ago on her Debt blog.
She tells everyone what to do.. her parents, her employer, her minions... Do you see a pattern here?
Quilt,
I see a psych eval...major issues.
LOL
She'll tell the doc what to do, too! NPD, maybe? Or is she a sociopath?
Another ROL article. This one reveals the contracts with TLC. This be some of the documents that Hoffman took pictures of in Jon's, his friend, apartment.
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/07/gosselin-family-money-made-reality-tv-kate-freebies/
I can't keep BL's stories about her family straight. One minute she waxes poetic about her Norman Rockwell upbringing and the next she was beaten as a child.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 148
My mother was strong and could really pummel me with just her hand. It's one and the same to me. I was beaten...
Nameless,
Did you ever read what she wrote about her parents on the debt blog?
How cheap they were and they only bought her junk for Christmas and they didn't have money to pay her way through college. And she was really pissed because they took her to Olive Garden to eat rather than a REAL Italian restaurant.
Like I said the chick has got issues.
I remember the Olive Garden part because it was HILARIOUS. She ranted about Olive Garden being unsuitable for her as an Italian. I'm no geneticist, but if the BL is Italian, I'm pretty sure that makes at least one of her parents Italian as well.
And yet, on her current blog she usually goes on and on about her "normal" childhood and perfect family...except for the beating, of course.
I'm no geneticist, but if the BL is Italian, I'm pretty sure that makes at least one of her parents Italian as well.
LMAO!!
I think it would be far more interesting if Becks would reveal how many subscriptions she sold for 19.95 to her birth fetish site.
Where is that disgusting website now?
They need to change the name of that blog to "Molehills --> We Make Mountains Out Of 'Em"!
I don't think I'm the only one to be pissed off at Rebecca's overconfidence in herself. Come on bleeple, follow me! It's lovely over here on the SANE side of the conversation!
In any event, it's those idiots who helped me see the light. Their literal Witch hunt drove me to sanity.
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I don't think BL thought that little 'I was beat!' melodramatic confession through.
If true, her parents are NO better than Kate (who they HATE). WTF, Dear Leader?? Hypocrite much?
If not true, then she's just a drama queen looking for attention.
What a dumb thing to say on a blog. If anyone knows her parents, I hope they report them to CPS like they did Kate!! LOL
- glitter
PS - I know no one here would do that, just wanted to point out her BLATANT HYPOCRISY. She says she turned out just fine (that's *highly* debatable lol), but won't give those dear children the same freedom to come to the same conclusion.
Lol at Bl's armchair psychology. Such logic!
42 tweets = manic tweeting. And, of course, Kate's tweets sounded "off."
70 tweets over the weekend and you're way off according to BL's scale.
Nah, it can't be called "chatting," or "having time to tweet", can't give Kate any credit for checking in with her fans. Nope, it's cause Kate was "manic." So, when Kate is not tweeting, I guess she is depressive.
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Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 172
She tweeted 42 times on Saturday when she said she had one of the kids. If that's not manic I dont know what is. The entire weekend she tweeted 70 times. If you don't agree that's manic you must have a different definition. No one here posted 70 times that weekend, gimme a break. The point is it was outrageously higher than her normal one or two tweets and a good deal of them sounded very off suggesting some kind of manic phase. If you don't agree she was manic tweeting how high is your threshold?
July 30, 2014 at 12:15 AM
RH does look absurd with these articles. But, I think ROL is just feeding their audience. The haters love when there's an article up.
I don't know what kind of counter the minions are using, but I just looked at Kate's twitter TL and between Friday, 7/25 to Sunday, 7/26, she tweeted 12 times, which is NOTHING compared to what the haters tweet and spam tweet.
Seems like when the BL has been called out for her fetish site, she now deflects her actions saying she was beat. Wonder what her parents would think of her sharing info on them all over the internet? The BL gets ahead of herself, she chases what others talk about, and her life was much worse than theirs. This gal has serious issues, and I hope she really doesn't practice law.
I don't understand all the Slapp lawsuit deal, but looks like BV got the best of her. imo.
Farkle,
BL was not involved or named in that lawsuit.
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She tweeted 42 times on Saturday when she said she had one of the kids. If that's not manic I dont know what is.
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It's not and you don't.
The only 'manic' behavior I ever see comes from the BL.
She gets on these kicks of Kate being mentally ill one day and something else another day.
Why are the Fans so obsessed with the BL? What do you accomplish except wearing out the Soap Box? All that chatter and obsession does nothing to support Kate. RWA went away because of BV (allegedly), but nothing has happened to the BL. Does that enrage some of the Fans that BV couldn't shut her down?
Just curious.
Simon
Never intent to shut 15 down. Just to be honest. Lots of misinformation about Kate originated from there.
Jon used BL and her blog as his messenger.
Do we not have the right to question that?
New post on ROL from the NE. This one does not make sense.
Hasn't Steve always been the VP of Prudential Associates? They were contracted by TLC.
Steve has not been her bodyguard for a long time and is a road manager for her now.
I have been told that both Steve and his wife are good friends with Kate.
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/07/kate-gosselin-steve-neild-quits-bodyguard/
Jon used it as his voice? How long ago was that and how many times did he allegedly do this? You mean Jon did to BL what RH has done or did here?
Simon
Don't you think that Kate should have done everything in her power to make the fans and non fans clear that she wasn't fooling around with him? Instead she didn't seem to care how it looked and let the blogs speculate on and on if they were an item (or not). Come on, Road Manager? Really? What is she a Rock and Roll band?
Simon
Kate looked so foolish having a bodyguard in tow when there are so many celebs who have a LOT more talent than Kate and they have no bodyguard. Please don't even use the "protect her from the non fans" excuse.
Simon
I lumped Kate in with celebs who have talent. Kate has NO talent. Another thing, didn't Kate say that the body guard was for the protection of the kids? If so, why was he following her everywhere?
Simon
Catching up over a cup of coffee and the whole Kate's manic" discussion put a smile on my face!
Yeah.....sure BL....Kate's the crazy one because It's so darn NORMAL to take the time to COUNT every one of her tweets and add 'em up then report back to bleeple central and discuss them for days! Yeah....That's not KOOKOO! LOL
Awwww.......Kate rarely has time to chat with fans. That was nice of her to take the time to do it over the weekend. 70 tweets in 2 days isn't so much.
I don't think there would've been anything she could have said or done to change people's minds. Sometimes "silence is golden."
Simon,
We have gone over this before. Merryway showed where BL wrote that Jon was her source. Read back.
Agree, Francie.
Sage, I understand that. I didn't say he wasn't. I said he was her source for info (real or fiction) just like RH was a source for you (real or fiction). RH made YOU his messenger, however limited his message was through the emails.
Simon
Simon,
Again, the difference was I did not put on my blog what RH was emailing me and only shared with a couple people at the time and Kate's security.
Also, big difference having the ex-husband communicating with you than a garbage picker.
Simon,
You are really reaching to compare that and you know it.
Another difference...Sage is now posting the emails and allowing others to judge for themselves about the truth of what Hoffman says. The BL spoon fed her readers information through her very biased filter and did not give anyone the opportunity to draw their own conclusions based on available information.
The BL was played, period. And when Jon freakin' Gosselin is able to play you, that's embarrassing. Sage was not played. Simon is comparing apples and oranges.
Simon, Kate has addressed the affair rumors. She told People magazine that the whole idea was "unfathomable" and that the 2 families are truly friends and spend time together.
You want her to "do everything in her power" to make it clear to fans and nonfans as to whether the rumors are true? Why bother? She did address it and yet you're still obviously concerned about it.
Those that want to gossip about it are going to gossip about it. She could hook a live cam up in her bedroom, sleep alone every night, and there would still be those that insist they must be doing it in the van.
Excuses, excuses and spin. Now I get it what the fans are best at. Head in sand syndrome when convenient.
Simon
What did you think Kate would tell People? "Oh yea, we're doing it". Of course she would say that.
Simon
Again with the apples and oranges. There is no difference. Jon "played" as you say and RH didn't. Jon played the BL because you see it that way. On this side of the fence it was information that was provided and the validity of it was decided by Sage and her readers.
Simon
Again Simon, I will type this slowly for you.
I did not share what RH emailed me until recently. I also state I don't know how truthful he is in what he sent me.
Obviously this is hard for you to understand...
Maybe you need to type a little slower.
Soooooo Whhhhhaaat! You still shared it. Disclaiming the validity of it as you are posting it on your blog is still gossip. Why post any of it?
Simon
Simon,
Because I can.
Simon,
Drama much? You know it is not the same but you just like to poke and have some drama.
LOL!!!
Simon, you exactly illustrated my point very well!
Thank you!
Sage,
I know she wasn't involved with the lawsuit, but he put it out to the public about her fetish site.
I don't read ROL, selling a $500.00 dollar story because you can't sell a book of lies is paying someone's electric bill.
I don't care about BL's blog, what I care about is that it is full of lies, everyone knows that except for the few that post non stop there, making it up as they go.
As for Steve, Jon himself said he lied about Kate and Steve to make Kate look bad. Good grief, Steve's family are friends with the G's. I think the reason Steve traveled with Kate was because there were nuts out there that maybe made threats to her.
Whoops - I need to preview before I post. Scratch the "exactly" from my sentence....even though the "exactly" fits when it comes to foreseeing your predictable response.
Simon,you seem to have some anger issues with Sage.The fact is Robert tried to get her involved and Sage wouldn't bite.She wouldn't play his game.It's her right to share what she wants from the emails.I'm sure there is much juicier info in the emails. Whether she wants to share them is her business.
BL spreads lies about Kate and her posters don't question it. They eat it up as fact.A couple of times I started a rumor or two about Kate and they took it and ran with them.That's when realized how gullible they are. For all my fake rumors are in Roberts book.
Why is "Simon" so against Sage posting e-mails sent TO her by "insider" Angela/Robert? What's the issue, Simon? What's wrong? Why does it bother you so very much? It's giggle worthy.
If these e-mails bother you, don't read them. If you don't believe they are real or true, that's your right - but why come here whining about it? Do you think you're going to get Sage to stop posting e-mails that were sent her if you keep complaining and asking WHY? LOL
Simon said (haha)
Please don't even use the "protect her from the non fans" excuse.
Simon
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No? Why not? Cuz you no likey? But, aww, it's so nice of you to say "please" before telling people what not to mention as a reason. It's not an "excuse." It's a REASON.
You think it's reasonable to think that these "non fans" you speak of are actually harmless even though they have been obsessively harassing Kate in numerous ways for a number of years? Why shouldn't Kate think they are a danger? God only knows what they've sent to Kate that hasn't been made public. God knows, Kate knows but we don't necessarily know. Why do you think there is no threat against Kate from these obsessive "non fans?" Do you think they are shut ins who CAN'T get out to do harm and therefore Kate isn't in any danger from them? Maybe they ALL are shuts ins (as you seem to think) since they ALL seem to always be online 24/7 but if Kate wants to be cautious and have protection specifically because of those crazy "non fans" it's her right and it's a perfectly legitimate reason, whether you like it or not.
Jon used it as his voice? How long ago was that and how many times did he allegedly do this? You mean Jon did to BL what RH has done or did here?
Simon
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What difference does it make "how long ago" it was, Simon? What difference does it make how "many times" he did it?
Very much a double standard going on with you, Simon, since the haters bring up things they saw Kate do ONCE YEARS ago and talk and talk and TALK about it to this day. When Kate did something or how many times she did it means nothing to them, why should we take the year Jon did something or the number of times he did something into consideration when we discuss Jon or BL or anyone? It's like you have this "anything goes as long as it's anti-Kate" rule but if it's about Jon or BL then when it happened or how many times it happened makes a big difference. It doesn't. It just makes you look very hypocritical. Is that how you were trying to look?
Spoken by the person who stated that "he" does not want to see the BL's delightful birth fetish site. Thanks for yet another laugh, Simon.
Do you have a point?
Anonymous said...
Excuses, excuses and spin. Now I get it what the fans are best at. Head in sand syndrome when convenient.
Simon
You can't possibly be as dense as you're pretending to be. One person relayed information as FACT that was a load of bullshit, because of her desperate need to feel important. The other person, YEARS after the fact, posted emails and said "judge for yourself." You can decide which is the apple and which is the orange, but stop pretending they're the same damn fruit.
Anonymous said...
Soooooo Whhhhhaaat! You still shared it. Disclaiming the validity of it as you are posting it on your blog is still gossip. Why post any of it?
Simon
Oops is Simon worried about more coming out? Of course, just asking for a friend.
Sage couldn't be played by Hoff who seemed to be a creepy back then, yet someone wants the e-mails not to be posted? The one having a problem is the one who is here commenting on every single thing that is being said. I do hope Sage continues to post the e-mails for ALL to see.
"Again Simon, I will type this slowly for you.
I did not share what RH emailed me until recently. I also state I don't know how truthful he is in what he sent me."
Lol Sage, it seems that if Simon is suffering from some of Bl's "forced stupidity,"
It's so hard to understand that this discredits RH. He is not to believed. Can't believe a word he says.
I've always said it's a crazy world and it would be nice if we could all have bodyguards. Then, you have crazy people like bl who take off from work just to go and harass Kate. Yeah, that's sane. Kate has crazy haters and it's a dangerous world.
That's right Merry, wasn't BL off work for being sick and went to Kate's book signing.
She wonders why 'Ratclaws' as she so fondly calls Steve moved her along after BL approached Kate so rudely.
Yeppers, that's right. BL was off sick, yet drove some distance to go see someone she hates and lies about.
I said I have no interest in seeing a blog site about birthing or what ever it's about, so what? Laugh all you want.
Angry sheep don't like it when non fans ask questions. All the angry sheep do is deflect and stomp the ground. Bullshit, or should I say Sheep shit!
Simon
Simon, your questions have been answered ad-nauseam. I'm sorry that you are not happy with the answers.
Goodness Merry, BL must have been on a mission. No doubt her mind was racing on the way to the book signing despite being so very ill that she wasn't even able to work. Dare I say it sounds like she was positively manic! I hope she was able to get help for that. :)
Simon,
LOL the only one angry is you!
Yes, dare say it DI...BL was manic! LOL
LMAO Dry
The only one stomping the ground is you, Simon. I have yet to see anyone here tell you to go fuck yourself, as you did to me. The angry person here is you.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I said I have no interest in seeing a blog site about birthing or what ever it's about, so what? Laugh all you want.
Angry sheep don't like it when non fans ask questions. All the angry sheep do is deflect and stomp the ground. Bullshit, or should I say Sheep shit!
Simon
Too funny, DryIce.
My favorite part of that story was her recounting how she tried to claim she was a member of the press because she was there as a blogger. I can just imagine her acting as if she were in a White House press briefing when she finally got to throw a question Kate's way. Remember, among her MANY skills she used to be a journalist!
You guys really know how to bring the funny.:)
I really get sick of the haters saying Kate needs a bodyguard because of her fans.It certainly not one of her fans that crawls through her bushes to get her garbage or to watch her running or to count how many easter eggs she is really hiding.It is not her fans that try to sabotage any opportunity that comes her way,and it is not her fans that create hate blogs and lie and lie to keep the haters frothing at the mouth with their hatred.
You said it, Mimi! Her fans are not and have never been the problem... The haters are so unaware of their despicable behavior.
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Tucker's Mom said...
I sound like a broken record, but long, long ago, Kate should have let Steve go first and foremost for the sake of her marriage and kids, but not far behind, for the sake of Steve's wife and children.
Any decent person would have put their needs behind these most important things.
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You don't sound like a broken record!
13 years ago today, I woke up from the 3 day coma I was in when I had a massive stroke on life support. I totally agree with you Tucker because my ex had met a woman out of state online and was planning to leave me and the boys to start a new life.
If he had any compassion when he came to the hospital to see me on life support, he would of stayed with me. But I think his dream shack, not talking about her, it's her house in Orlando is where he wanted to me. IF it would of been me having an affair, I have told people for years that if that was my ex on LS, I would of called up my lover and said, Hey Bozo, it's over. I'm sorry, but this happened and I am staying with my family. But he chose not to do that. But that is on him, not me. I feel really bad for him, because he has started paying back what he has reaped. He lost his mother to basically the same thing that happened to me and he and his sister, who I adore, didn't get to see her before she died. The ex couldn't afford the 2K airline ticket to Germany and his sister couldn't either. Sitting in a 500K house with a new car and can't pay for a plane ticket. They had to wait for a week and a half for it to drop to 500 dollars. Then when the ex got over there, he found out that he and his sister were going to have to pay back money from the local government that they gave to his mother to supplement her income. He is paying for that for the way he treated me before he left, screaming at me in a rampage that I could go to DHR and get all the food stamps, government assistance I could and then come back and sit down on my behind, nice word for what he said and think of more free stuff I could get.
Even more unbelievable all the guys that helped him get there have all suffered greatly, lightning hit a house and burnt to the ground, one really badly broke his arm and rotator cuff, one was caught DUI on a motorcycle and they forced him to sell it and took his drivers license away for a long time, another guy's mother was in a bad car accident, who was elderly and his sister dropped dead.
Reminds me of the people who wanted to talk about the JFK assassinations. Over 100 people have died. Even Dorothy Kilgallan of What's my line? She was a huge reporter and was going to come out with the info and she had her notes she gave to her housekeeper. She was found dead, and then a couple of days later, her housekeeper was dead.
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What a wonderful Christian Lukebandit is.Her ex did her wrong so in her eyes God is punishing him by having his family members die.Sorry, luke, but I don't think that's how God works. And shame on you for thinking his family members dying is payback for he did to you. You're a very vindictive woman.
I had read earlier what Lukebandit wrote.
Disturbing. I know she is in bad health but that does not give anyone a pass to be hateful.
If she believes that these people are being punished how does she explain what happened to her? Is she being punished for her words?
Disturbing. Really, Really, Disturbing. No self awareness. Shameful.
Simon has asked some very legitimate questions. The fact that you are unable to answer his questions and choose to act like gang of vicious junior high schoolers says a lot about this blog
Would Simon tell what questions were not answered? The e-mails speak for themselves, what's the anger about Simon? I'm not angry, I just support any working single Mother or Father who need to support their family.
I have a question for you Simon. Would you lay in a ditch stalking a Mother of 8 children, count the Easter eggs the kids hunted, cook your hot dog down by the river with someone who left his children to relive his 20's?
Anonymous,
Only a few rules here...pick a name.
"Gang of vicious junior high schoolers" is kind of funny. I wish all junior high gangs were this tame.
Francie, I thought the same. Too funny.
LOL Francie!
What question did Simon ask that wasn't answered?
I believe everything was answered. Just not to Simon's satisfaction.
That was funny.
Exactly, Francie. Liking the answer you received and receiving an answer are not the same things!
LOL, I spend a fair amount of time in middle schools and those girls would kick our asses! Anonymous Simon Supporter has never witnessed "vicious."
Simon never wants to answer just ask.
lukebandit IS very vindictive revelling in her ex-husband's family and friends dying and suffering terribly.
BUT she also thinks she's SO Goshdamn important that GOD is has singled her out and punished everyone who has wronged her.
She's delusional and it's sad. Her posts shouldn't go thru. I hope her nursing home has good security because she's not very careful about what she posts.
She has a God Complex. I feel very sorry for her. It appears her family left her in there. I think she's seen her over one year old grandson maybe 3? times?
Yup. Sad.
- glitter
ETA: I'd better be careful she doesn't ask her God to hit me with lightning for saying that. lol
This reminds me of a time when SWE had to have answers to so many questions but the answers where never satisfactory or we were never polite enough.
Glitter, if she truly believes that she would have to believe that her illness and her situation was brought on by God too.
Belle, it seems that this blog has always been held to a different standard.
The non fans bitch and moan about us and ask dozens of questions...which are always answered but never question the bleeps.
Simon needs to know that nothing can be asked at the BL blog that would ever dare go against the great leaders mind set.
Simon should be happy that Sage allows ALL opinions if kept respectful. Thanks Sage!
Seems someone is upset that the emails spoke of what RH is like and they are not happy.
It's sad luck found a blog that she can post on for hours and hours a day, maybe partaking in activities where she lives would be more production for her well being. The BL loves getting hundreds of posts from the same few everyday to make her blog look busy. The BL should encourage Luke to seek some mental health help for her issues. imo.
Typo---Luke
Farkle said...
Simon needs to know that nothing can be asked at the BL blog that would ever dare go against the great leaders mind set.
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Yup! And I'm proof positive that Sage allows *anyone* to post here. AND it's UNmoderated so no need for Dear Leader's *approval* to voice an opinion.
Notice the old regulars don't post there anymore. They, at least, were a little more sane. What's left is the crazy haters/fanatics and people from a nursing home. Sad.
And Dear Leader is PROUD of that. Come on! *rolls eyes*
Anyway, thank you Sage for allowing me to vent. :)
- glitter
Sage said...
Glitter, if she truly believes that she would have to believe that her illness and her situation was brought on by God too.
Good point. However, she is a hypocrite, sooooooo......yeah, not gonna happen.
If she was so special that her God killed/injured her ex's family FOR HER (ugh), she's got some probs. I, personally, think she is special needs (as readerlady/bitchypants LOVES to say about the kids).
Why BL puts thru lukebandit's posts is one reason: blog hits. It's just a money making scheme for her. Ice cream should be FREE, dammit! LOL
-glitter
gift of gab said... 178
Spanking to me is one, possibly two, swats on the behind when the child (older than 1.5?, younger than 4) has done something egregious, such as run into the street after being told not to. It's done in the spur of the moment as a reaction to danger, and not in anger.
)))))))))))) Really Mel? I always reacted with gratefulness and an almost euphoria when my child ran out in traffic (once!) and wasn't hurt. I HUGGED her, hitting her didn't even enter the realm of my mind. Sure, I was upset with her much LATER (and told her so) but I certainly wouldn't think to spank her as a spur of the moment decision. Good grief.
IF one chooses to 'spank' a child, I'd hope it wouldn't be done as a rash, unthinking decision.
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Please - let us not judge one another.
Aha hahahahahahaha!!!! Millicent says LET"S NOT JUDGE EACH OTHER but it's AOK to JUDGE KATE for the very same thing!!
IF Kate spanked her kids, these Bleeple's parents are guilty of ALLLLLL the same behaviours.
'Let's not judge each other'???? Ohhh Millicent....such a hypocrite. Do as I say, not as I do. ROFLMAO
- glitter
What questions haven't been answered, "anonymous?" It seems that every question "Simon" asked has been answered and answered again and again. Are you and/or Simon only waiting for an answer you like or agree with before you can deem it "answered?" Because nobody here is just going to say what you want to hear to make you happy. That should be something that you should realize without being told but since you haters are so delusional I'm not surprised that even this has to be stated for you. Of course you don't like the answers we've given here because none of the answers include statements like, "Kate is the worst," or "Kate's always wrong," or "Jon is soo good I don't know how he put up with mean Kate for so long." WE just speak the truth and that must really throw you for a loop.
Anonymous said...
Simon has asked some very legitimate questions. The fact that you are unable to answer his questions and choose to act like gang of vicious junior high schoolers says a lot about this blog
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We answered Simons questions. He just didn't like the answers.He's been asked questions and has danced around a few and not answered.
Luke has had a rough time but I don't think God is the type to go around exacting vengeance in her name.That's not the kind of God I'd like.
Give me a break! I answered questions thrown at me. I also really don't care either way what answers you provide to any question I may have asked. I'm not running off mad or stomping my feet or clutching my pearls or what ever. Open and mature debates don't have to be resolved in 1 session. I'm not running off and bad mouthing this blog. I have always said I appreciate the ability to post freely here.
Simon
OMG. That story simply sounds like a series of events that played out like some cosmic Karma. I didn't see her saying she would dance on his grave once he died. Yes she is being Vindictive, revengeful thinking.
Honestly ask yourself, if you were in her shoes, would you feel the same way? Most likely you wouldn't blog about it. Keep in mind I am NOT saying I would wish that on anyone.
Simon
Yes, Sheri, posting about having a party to celebrate your kid's braces coming off is sure sign of mania. You nailed it. I'm sure a 72-hour psych hold is forthcoming for Kate.
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As for the "big news", really? Kid got their braces off...woohoo! If her blowing that tidbit of info into earth shattering "party worthy" news isn't a sign of her mania than I don't know what is.
The woman is losing it.
I didn't ask the question so everyone could stand on the soap box and profess their love of God and how christian they are and they would never do something like that.
I'm just saying that SOME of you would certainly be thinking revenge in some way if your spouse pulled that.
Simon
There's only one person who I'd be happy getting his karma. And what that person did to me can never be forgiven. Do I want God to go get him? No. But the Universe takes care of it's own somehow.Luke calls herself a devout Christian and if that's how they act, I want no part of that.But then again, I'm no fan of religion..it causes too many wars. I think God would wouldn't like people killing innocent children in his name.
You have stomped your feet and been angry at some of the posters here.IMO, of course.
It does seem this blog always has been held to a different standard..just as Sage says.
Simon,
Luke is bitter and it shows. What has it gotten her?
The best 'revenge' in a situation like that is to be happy with yourself and at peace. No one can take that from you.
Huh? Where is everyone professing their love of God and standing on a soap box?
And Simon? Guess what? You don't get to decide how people answer questions that you pose, so telling people that you didn't ask a question in order to receive a certain type of response is just plain obnoxious.
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Anonymous Anonymous said...
I didn't ask the question so everyone could stand on the soap box and profess their love of God and how christian they are and they would never do something like that.
I'm just saying that SOME of you would certainly be thinking revenge in some way if your spouse pulled that.
Simon
If Jason had 3 apples and Susie gave him 2 more, how many apples would Jason have? Answer: 5 apples
No, no, no. What I meant was, if Jason had 3 apples and Susie took 2 of them, how many apples would Jason have left? Answer: 1 apple
No, no, no. I meant: Did you walk to school or did you carry your lunch?
Sound familiar?
Francie .....it's all noise.
While I might think revenge, I would never go onto a blog or twitter or a message board and announce it to the world.
Simon, I truly think this is an anti-15 minutes Gosselin Style blog NOT a Kate Gosselin fan blog.
If BL's site disappeared forever, what would they talk about? Not Their queen trying to shove her child's face in dog feces or dogs bending their crates to escape from confinement.
Pathetic
Has it ever occured to the minions that "Kate's words" are actually RH's words, since he said he is paraphrasing what she said...? From what I've seen and read, and from what MANY reviewers have said, he has put what he THINKS she did and what he THINKS she said.... His hatred absolutely oozes out of every paragraph. RH's words are not the gospel, although the folks at 15 minutes are salivating at his every world... Making Kate look bad is all they care about. They certainly don't care about those precious children...
If anyone is pathetic, it's a group of people who are celebrating the absolute destruction of the life of the mother of these children. How does that help the children?
Geeez Nameless, get off my freaking back already! You don't like my comments.. I get it. Your responses are just this side of being a complete a**hole.
Simon
melissa june said.....If BL's site disappeared forever, what would they talk about? Not Their queen trying to shove her child's face in dog feces or dogs bending their crates to escape from confinement.
Is that what you talk about melissa june? ....because from what I've seen the bleeple like to discuss a wide array of topics. If Kate's breasts are truly "perky", if the skirt she's wearing makes her a hooker, when and how could she afford that couch the bleeple patrol had never noticed before...blah blah, blah.
Kate made a cake for her kids. Something I would bet every single bleeple has done one time or another for their own children. She wanted to celebrate a set of braces coming off. It was a nice thing to do. What do bleeple do? Call her mentally ill.
How silly.
Again, back to what is written on 15 minutes blog. Kate IS the topic of discussion (including her saggies baggies and how she put her "boobyguard" ahead of her own children by freaking out over a slice of pizza). NOT this blog or it's entries.
So I challenge this site to go one whole day without discussing the BL's blog or the participants' discussions.
Awww, melissa june is taking the passive aggressive route to try and control the conversation on this site and get people to not talk about that crazy site, and she's wrapping it up in a "challenge" to try and get us to do what she wants. Just for ONE day!
Isn't that adorable? LOL
All Kate, all the time, over at BL's, eh? That's funny, I could have sworn I've heard the name Milo mentioned over there.
Much of the discussion in this thread has been about the Robert/Angela emails here. They're pretty crazy.
#FreeBill
LOL Micha! I wonder what the prize is? I hope it's not a copy of Robby's crappy book.
Deflect deflect deflect
Can't do it, can you?
Melissa June,
Give a challenge to the bleeps. Can they go a whole day without talking about Kate? After all the blog is suppose to be about kids on TV. Also, challenge them to go all day without talking about Milo, other fans who tweet Kate and now I see they are talking about Ziggy.
When I started this blog back in 2010 I said it was not a Kate fan blog but one that shows the absurdity of the haters.
The name of the blog is not I Adore Kate.
All Hail to Queen Kate
There are you happy, Melissa?
Actually you're deflecting by ignoring my Milo comment.
You weren't truthful when you claimed that "Kate IS the topic!" Everyone in Kate's orbit is discussed and dissected ad nauseam over at BL's.
Gotta run in and work a few. This convo seems pretty nonproductive anyway. JMO
I've seen Luke tell that story before.
Man oh man.
I can understand why she was ditched.
melissa june said...
Deflect deflect deflect
Can't do it, can you?
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Here's the thing MJ. I don't have to do it.
You are welcome to post here but I get to decide what the blog is about...my blog etc.
Melissa, they(you) all love to talk about Milo a lot. And all she's done is support Kate. Even Roberts goal was to find out who she was. He teased the Bleeple with it for a while.
BL and her crew love to call us sheeple, so why shouldn't we call them bleeple.
The pupose of this blog is to call you bleeple out on your Insanity. We never said otherwise.
Now, if WE went to 15mins to post, odds are about 100% that our post would NEVER see the light of day.Sage has allowed you to post here. Bl says ALL opinions are welcome but we all know the truth. She'll answer you on her blog but not show your posts.Like I said, Sage is one patient lady.
The haters don't even take off for the holidays.
Sage
I appreciate that you allow posts to be published immediately. You've always been respectful.
If the purpose of this blog is to dissecting the non-kate fans or "haters" as you call them, my apologies. I thought you were fans of Kate.
It's just there is NEVER a question of her actions or behavior, but all others are fair game. What gives? Can she ever do anything you don't agree with?
#FreeBill
MJ.
This has never been a fan blog.
Many if not all of us don't agree with everything Kate does or says.
I do believe however she has the right to live her life without the constant hate on a daily basis.
Melissa, I have said many times I am not as much of a fan of Kate's as I am a hater of the extreme bullying she is subjected to.I would defend anyone who is unjustly targeted the way Kate is. I have never seen anyone that has an organized group of peopel that make it their mission to taunt,humiliate, and try to destroy someone they have determined "DESERVES" to be destroyed. What gives you,the BL,the twitter haters or Robert Hoffman the right to deliberately and maliciously set out to harm someone else?Please do not say it's for the children. How can seeing their mother attacked on a daily basis be good for the Gosselin children. You guys always scream deflect,I have yet to have one person give a logical answer as to why that Jon would not only leave his children with someone who abuses them but also sign over FULL legal custody to their abuser and is still somehow a saint in the eyes of the haters.If you really think about that in a logical way does that make any kind of sense?
Mimi,
You really nailed it.
Amen.
Amen!
Oh no, I thought this was a Kate Queen Blog. LOL.
I supported Jon here like many others, it was not to bash him, but to encourage Jon to step up and be a good Dad. Did anyone ever see on BL's say ONE good word about Kate. The BL set her rules long ago, and if you tried to post your opinion on her blog, they never saw daylight or she attacked the message.
If the couple that have posted here don't like Sages rules, move on out, Sage has always been fair and you have no right to tell her what to do.
Someone is having a serious meltdown, wonder what really is going on?
Count me in as a not a fan of Kate. What drew me into the Gosselin Blog World was the hate for Kate. I didn't understand it 6+ years ago and I don't understand it now.
If she did BEAT her toddlers - not spank - then I think she's an awful mother. Is she shoved her son's face in dog poop I would think she's an awful mother. I just don't think she did those things so I can't see what the extreme hate is for.
It's just there is NEVER a question of her actions or behavior, but all others are fair game. What gives? Can she ever do anything you don't agree with?
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I'm here to point out bleeple hypocrisy. They support that misogynistic pervert who objectifies new mothers and their infants. I don't follow Kate Gosselin. So I got nothin.
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Sage
I appreciate that you allow posts to be published immediately. You've always been respectful.
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There you go. Agreement!
I like Kate. I don't like the bleeple.
Tuesday
Nameless scared Simon. Lol. These bleeple can't handle any questions.
LOL
Thank you, Challenge!
All hail Sage and Queen Kate!
Funny, I mentioned summer school work yesterday, and lo and behold...?
PJ
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Whoa little cowgirl. Your ego is showing.
Translated: Aren't I so speshal and smaht?? notice me bleeple! I said something and Kate said something similar!!
Get over yourself, idiot. lol
- glitter
Just a little school message to PJ, many kids go to year round school, get over yourself.
I doubt Kate cares or has time to worry about everything little thing posted about her.
They think that Kate reads 15.
Delusional.
LOL, Sage. They think they control her. They're nuts!
If I were Kate, I'd keep track of all the lowdown mud that BL loves to sling about her. I'd be livid. But, perhaps Kate is a better person than I. Yes, I said it. lol
I get the feeling Tweet-le has had enough of the *groupthink* over there. Come on over Tweet-le, Sage is very kind and the water is lovely!! :)
- glitter
Sage,
No one needs to read at that blog, RH put all her lies in his book and called it truth. He really should give her a cut from the profits, ya know, all those school loans she has to pay. :)
I do believe some ones rent is due, and probably a lawyer bill. imo
I am a long time lurker. I am not a Kate fan. I will say I like Jon much less than I like Kate.
As a bystander, this is how I see it. This blog is not about being a fan or anti-fan of either Gosselin. It is about being against the attacks on a mother trying to raise 8 kids. It is about being against a blog that encourages a mob to destroy a woman, it is about calling out people who compare Kate Gosselin to Hitler or Casey Anthony.
I do find Robert Hoffman vile. I don't like his dishonest "data" collection methods, his use of people to get dirt on others, his taunting of Kate on line for ages before publishing is book. I do not see how any of his actions have helped the Gosselin kids in any way.
Melissa June, why would you challenge a blog to stop discussing what the blog owners stated purpose has always been? The focus has never been to worship Kate but rather about the out of proportion hatred directed toward a single person - much of which is perpetrated on the 15 minutes blog.
#FreeBill
Simon, I am not sure of what your specific questions are but here are some of my answers.
1) I admire some things Kate has done and continues to do - she has kept her children in an excellent school and kept that part of their lives as stable as possible through the divorce; she takes care of herself physically and role models the benefits of physical activity; she strives to give the kids a better life than they might otherwise have had
2) I dislike some of the things I have witnessed Kate do as I think she can over react to stressful situations and isn't a particularly polite person.
3) I haven't read Robert's book but have heard some of the allegations
a) taking donated clothes to a consignment shop instead of. Goodwill - no big deal to me; a person has right to do,whatever they want with gifts given them and also a right to decide how, what, and when to give back
b) voice overs on the show were scripted - of course, who didn't already know that is part of all reality TV
c) Mady was forced to go to Alaska - I have yet to meet a family that lets children as young as Mady was at the time decide to opt out of family trips. I do,think. Mady should have been able to,opt of being filmed if that is why she didn't want to go,
d) Kate required nannies do extra housework and listen in on the kids conversations with Jon - if the nannies took the job knowing what the duties would be, I don't believe they have a right to complain. As for not trusting Jon when taking to,the kids, I fully understand that. He has publicly wished she was dead. I wouldn't trust Jon in her shoes either.
e) Kate wrote in a personal journal 8 years ago about being afraid of hurting one of the kids while,punishing them - assuming her actual thoughts were not altered in any way, I see an overwhelmed mother with the presence of mind to put her child somewhere safe (his crib) until she calmed down
f) she made a chIld stay outside in the cold for 10 minutes without a coat and pushed a child's face into dog shit - I have no reason to believe this really happend; to me it sounds like RH was upping the anti on his book.
Did I miss any of your question? If so, just let me know.
Great points, Gwen!
I see we are having new people show up.
Always nice to have new voices and opinions.
Great post Gwen!
No family is perfect, no Mother or Father are perfect, but when you have a single women bashing on a family for days, it's time to stand up and do the right thing.
We have only see a couple of the e-mails, I do wonder what else RH said about all of this.
Seems the leader has her name being mentioned on twitter tonight. Yep, fish smells.
Last year I had sent this post over to BL's site, of course it never saw the light of day...LOL It is so great that Sage gives everyone a chance to join the discussion here.. Anyway, here is that old post since her followers seem to be avid readers here...
So let me get this right…. This site doesn’t like kids on reality tv shows but I see nothing about Jen Arnold and Bill Klein – no comments whatsoever. Oh wait; there are some that are very positive toward them. I can’t see how that can be… Those two have gone to a foreign county to adopt a child, who spoke no English and who was raised in an orphanage and Jen seems hell bent on being sure he doesn’t suck his thumb. Yet, somehow all this escapes you. What about the Jones family? They have been in their own reality show and are now hawking some product, with their kids, and again, no comments whatsoever. Oh and that goofy Duggar family with those poor girls left to raise that brood – no comments – no outrage. The McGees with their six is just cushy with you? Honey Boo Boo, with their obsession for bodily functions and noises, is that just peachy too? Toddlers and Dance Moms – abusive n’est-ce pas? Aren’t the above mentioned folks, who are making a buck off their kids, guilty of the same crime?
Is this place now the new milder version of RWA? Is this now the place to regroup after you have made sure the woman never works again? I have been reading all these blogs a long time for entertainment. It has been great watching people so full of rage find a “whipping girl”. And no, I am not a Kate fan – I do however, support her right to make decisions for her own family and transform herself in any way she pleases. I am merely trying to figure out exactly what standards you purport. Are kids on reality tv shows Ok for some and just not OK for the Gosselins?
Aren’t the above mentioned folks, who are making a buck off their kids, guilty of the same crime?
Why, yes Gloria. Yes they are! And so is Rebecca. What other reason for ads on her blog (that appear to be pissing some of the posters off - yay!)? BL is making money off the kids. Does SHE donate her blog funds to her 'cause'? NO. She does NOT.
Is this place now the new milder version of RWA?
Uh huh. Its RWA Lite. lol Shutins and losers with no lives post there. It's the same haters with 10 different screen names.
- glitter
winsomeone was practically driven OFF that board by Millicent. Poor winsomeone dared to be critical of Jon the reality loser on Couples Therapy and BL and Remona went after her like a high school clique!
I wish some of these people, like winsomeone, would see how this blog is so much friendlier, sane and open minded.
Thank you again Sage. :)
- glitter
This comment from Beck's really made me laugh.
I can NEVER see myself hanging with someone who had a birth fetish site.
I would rather hang with a tatortot casserole eating tattooed lady than a person who gets off watching another woman/girl giving birth.
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I'd really like to have a face-to-face conversation with some of the sheeple. I'm serious.
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There were some legitimate sheeple who showed up to that meet and greet they showed on the show at the food drive. We got a good look at them. Needless to say I can't picture palling around with any of them.
The kind of people who order things from QVC all the time, make tatar tot casserole, couldn't tell you what's going on in Israel other than their pastor told them to support Israel--probably not all that bright. A grown woman had Alexis' name tattooed on her. It's not normal. It's just not. That's not to say any of those women can't be a perfectly decent and good person, but I truly believe that Kate's schtick does not fool most people sharper than a dull pencil.
Sorry I forgot to add becks comment in my original comment.
Long day!
You are known by the company you keep. Speaks volumes with this one, doesn't it?
And posters at 15 are keeping company with the owner of a birth/circumcision of teens pay per view.
- glitter
I always considered QVC at least as cool as Rumspringa.
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Gloria, What you posted about all the other family reality shows is what we have said over here all along... It's ONLY about Kate and how they can destroy her.
Welcome to SWE!
Beck's double standard defies comprehension and her comments purporting to be so superior to any of us just make me laugh! She can keep her ignorant shuts-ins. The people on SWE have lives, empathy and brains... something she can't say for most of the people posting on 15 Minutes, herself included.
Gosh, did the BL complete medical school with a specialty in OB/GYN after law school? Or does her expertise in pregnancy come from running a birth fetish site?
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Like I said it would be extremely unusual to have to go on bed rest at her age. She was fit, healthy, tall, not too skinny or too fat, VERY young and perfectly capable of handling a pregnancy with two babies. She never said she had toxemia or placenta issues, which would be a common reason to go on bed rest. Almost everything else is pretty rare. We are able to monitor babies much better at home now, I have a couple friends who had twins and they all had monitors, home blood pressure kits and other things provided to them. Nobody went on bed rest, and one of them was 44 at the time.
Gosh, did the BL complete medical school with a specialty in OB/GYN after law school? Or does her expertise in pregnancy come from running a birth fetish site?
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Like I said it would be extremely unusual to have to go on bed rest at her age. She was fit, healthy, tall, not too skinny or too fat, VERY young and perfectly capable of handling a pregnancy with two babies. She never said she had toxemia or placenta issues, which would be a common reason to go on bed rest. Almost everything else is pretty rare. We are able to monitor babies much better at home now, I have a couple friends who had twins and they all had monitors, home blood pressure kits and other things provided to them. Nobody went on bed rest, and one of them was 44 at the time.
Another day, another article about Hoff's book on ROL, and the great majority of comments are pro Kate, yet again. The article is about Kate's "rules" for the crew, and the most consistent comment is that the rules seem quite "reasonable."
I wonder how Hoff takes the comments? Does he care that so many people read what he must think are "shocking" revelations, only to have comment after comment actually defending Kate and calling him a "stalker?" Does he feel foolish? He should. But maybe he has convinced himself that all that matters is that the book is being promoted, even if it's being trashed in the comment section and his motives are constantly being called into question.
Kate had some interesting tweets tonight. These are from a convo w/Milo.
Good for her.
All hail Queen Kate!
@Kateplusmy8 · 30m
@MiloandJack ditches? Oh yes. Stalked for 18+ months, yes. Info from Trash? Nope. It was handed to him.... Fact.
@Kateplusmy8 · 29m
@MiloandJack Bottom Line: They stole my property and are making $ off embellished versions of it. I am NOT the 1 who should be ashamed!
I saw that Merry and I agree...Good for Kate!
Here is some more that I got from one of the bleeps.
Too funny when you think of it. I c/p from them that they c/p from twitter but I'm the bad guy LOL
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 11m
@kateplusmy8 Those "house rules" 4the crew that ROL made such a silly story over...sounded fine 2me! Who wants a bunch of guys free-roaming!
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 · 2m
@MiloandJack don't forget..That stolen info is embellished by money hungry low life's... Who have no hope of 'succeeding' any other way!
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 · 10m
@MiloandJack clearly my entire collection of STOLEN emails only get that 'exciting' ... So nothing to hide here, as usual. Whatever. Yawn.
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 · 7m
@MiloandJack I know. When did rules become awful and shameful? We are all in serious trouble if this is the case. #Sad
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 6m
@Kateplusmy8 Yes I know....especially the one who rumishes thru ur trash & HIDES N ditches ....stares at U while U run! Weirdo!
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 · 5m
@MiloandJack ditches? Oh yes. Stalked for 18+ months, yes. Info from Trash? Nope. It was handed to him.... Fact.
CarleneMarie @CarleneMarie_1 · 5m
@Kateplusmy8 @MiloandJack Makes you sick 2think what ppl do 4money.
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 · 4m
@CarleneMarie_1 @MiloandJack some will do anything, sadly. At the expense of even their flesh and blood. Disgusting.
WOW! That last tweet speaks volumes!
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So Jon stalked her for 18 months huh. That's a pretty serious accusation to be making there. I wonder if Jon knows she just said that. Why didn't she put her big girl pants on and request a restraining order? They are easy to get if you are truly being stalked. Why is she so helpless? It's amazing to me a judge would allow such a crazed stalker to see his children so freely.
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kate is basically saying Hoffman stalked her not Jon but BL would rather put her own spin on it.
Seek help Becks.
Hey Becs, Kate did not say Jon stalked her and the kids, pull your head out of your azz.
If reading it right, Jon handed over her computer stuff right to Hoff, and now Jon has disappeared. Hmmm
As for the lawsuit, I wonder if Jon was facing jail time and Kate didn't want her kids to go through with that. Just a thought, not sure of anything on my part.
Farkle,
Kate filed a civil suit so no jail time was involved.
Thanks Sage, I meant to grab that last tweet of Kate's.
Oh good grief, Bl is pulling more of that "forced stupidity." Of course, Kate is talking about RH stalking her (and also the stalking the kids.)
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