April showers bring May flowers,
That is what they say.
But if all the showers turned to flowers,
We'd have quite a colourful day! There'd be bluebells and cockleshells,
Tulips red and green,
Daffodils and Chinese squill,
The brightest you've ever seen. You'd see tiger lilies and water lilies,
Carnations pink and blue,
Forget-me-not and small sundrop
Glistening with the dew. We'd have fireweed and milkweed
And many more different flowers.
Mexican star and shooting star,
Falling in the showers. And if all the showers turned to flowers
On that rainy April day,
Would all the flowers turn to showers
In the sunny month of May?
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1 – 200 of 374 Newer› Newest»Late with getting the April discussion up.
Reading at BL's...first all they do is complain about Kate tweeting then they are in a frenzy because she stopped tweeting and now that Kate has tweeted they are complaining again.
What I really think happened is that THEY are the ones who missed Kate.
Midnight Madness has left a new comment on the post "Recap: Kate Plus 8 'Deck Party': The 'majic' show ...":
Still no birthday thank yous or anything and that dream sounds like obvious BS.As for gag orders,i think Deanna got hit with one and if milo is involved she could of gotten hit with one.
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And Kate was exempt? I kind of doubt it!
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They are still dreaming that Kate and others got a gag order to stop tweeting....LOL LOL
Well I know they're happy as hell Kate tweeted again. Gives them something to talk about I guess.
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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 198
YEEEAHH!!!
I think I called this correctly from the get-go. She was just filming or somehow getting her narcissistic elsewhere. When the well ran dry, she'd be bbbbaaaack. She has absolutely no regard for others, twitter is all, 100% of it, about HER.
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What is with her? Becks always has to say she "called it." Yay! Becks is the winner! She must have been an obnoxious little kid. Always had to be first, be the winner.
Over And Out has left a new comment on the post "Recap: Kate Plus 8 'Deck Party': The 'majic' show ...":
Angel Burgess @EllieBeantweets 45m45 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 cool! Are those their baby colors from back in the day??? No kids yet but when I do I plan to give them each a color #inspired🐣
Huh? Give them each a color? Why? To tell them apart?
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Don't the bleeps realize in trying to sound 'clever' in making fun of a Kate's fan tweets they really sound incredibly stupid?
It's funny how twitter is the center of their universe. They think the world is as focused on it as they are. They would be lost without that link to Kate.
Not one word about Jon's charity event. Perhaps if he tweeted about it, his toadies would be voting and helping out a charity.
Also LMAO that Midnight Madness believes that Deanna got hit with a gag order. She must believe that Jon is all powerful. Deanna was not a party to Jon and Kate's divorce. She has a right to speak. The family judge has no more power over her than he did RH. The toadies get so livid anytime someone speaks ill of Jon; they always hopes he sues and that he gets a gag order. LMAO
Tucker's Mom said... 17
FIL is from Boonton and family worked in that factory in NJ for decades.
My family's tableware set might have been Boontonware-it was plastic/melamine at any rate. Very easy to take care of.
fidosmommy said... 18
Tucker's Mom, yes, they were melamine, but very thick and sturdy. No Bootonware plate breakage! Stains were the biggest problem. Mom told me that when the plates were still new, she discovered this weird darkened area on all the light colored dinner plates. Beets. I guess she just shrugged her shoulders about it because she kept serving beets on them.
What??? Wasn't Kate often roundly criticized when the kids ate off plastic plates and drank out of plastic cups??? Such hypocrites it's laughable.
Formerly Duped has left a new comment on the post "Recap: Kate Plus 8 'Deck Party': The 'majic' show ...":
My mother often bought my sister ( 3 years older) and I the same item when we were young, a coat, hat, shirt, boots etc, but in different colors. I loved it, feeling like a 'big kid' but my sister hated it! But we had no set colors, just whatever choices the garment was made in.
I did try to color coordinate my boy and girl kids' clothes, but only for photos!
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OMG they dressed alike too and color coordinated their kids clothes! What horrible parents they had and are.
My sister was three years younger than me... Back in the olden days, my mom often dressed us in the same style, but different colors.
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You know something that I didn't notice much in the past but is really starting to irritate me? How funny-cute Kate thinks she is
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Just noticed, really?
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Kate thinks she's actually funny, but it's just more narcissism and self-delusion.
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Hmmm. Narcissistic, delusion and unfunny? This sounds vaguely like someone else, but I just can't put my finger on who. Hang on, it will come to me...I'll be back in 10 hours after I've read the latest recap/novel and I'm sure by then the name will have popped into my head.
Good news! I didn't have to read the recap! This post was the perfect memory jogger.
Sage, you'd better start taking some lessons from the Beckspert about how to run a successful blog with stimulating, high quality discussion. I was quite enjoying that stimulating discussion about luggage they had going on yesterday. Becks and her minions must be the life of the party at social events.
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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 13
The kids have been speaking in unison since as far back as I remember. "ALASKA, AUSTRALIA", and such come to mind. I am sure production tells them to do it.
Wowser, nothing wrong with having another blog snark on another. They bring up many legiatimate points Admin won't allow discussed here.
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The kids are saying more than one or two words in unison, they are talking in full sentences in unison. Things like "and then we went to the store to get supplies" all in unison. It's creepy. Yes I'm sure the producers made them say that.
I suppose there is nothing wrong with a blog just to talk about another blog. However no long-term successful blog has ever existed solely for that purpose. When I started this blog I modeled the rules on some big, successful forums like TWOP and others that had a very strict rule of no "blogs on blogs" or "posters on posters" or anything that was about the people and mechanics instead of the topics. These rules worked, they made for a much higher quality and stimulating discussion, and for a much friendlier environment. TWOP had some of the most successful forums in blog history, and I believe it was because of their rules. There have been several Gosselin blogs over the years that were set up solely to trash another Gosselin blog. They have all folded. So too will whatever is the flavor of the month Gosselin blog on blog. And that only proves my point, blogs on blogs simply does not work, not long term anyway. Rule four stands and always will.
I "allow" all discussion here. Many posters here have never had a single comment not approved, and have posted lots of different viewpoints. That's because they follow the rules.
It's not fair to post a point as anonymous then cry me not posting it. It wasn't not posted because of the viewpoint, it was not posted because of the anonymous, or some other rule violation.
Nameless....hahaha! Hey, she got something wrong. Gasp! My huge family is in Albuquerque and the Omaha Cinnabon scene in Better Call Saul was filmed in Albuquerque, along with some scenes for Chicago. (All the location scenes were filmed there.). My nephew worked at the mall and it was a big deal there. They even gave out free buns on the series premiere date. Albuquerque. Not Omaha. BOOM!
Whhaaaaatttt? Becky was WRONG about something? Impossible. You have just shattered my world view.
(I think you should post about her error over there. She allows all viewpoints, so I'm sure she'll publish your post. ;))
Too funny. But no. I am gone and horrible on my phone and it's not worth it. Plus....ewww.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 13
I "allow" all discussion here. Many posters here have never had a single comment not approved, and have posted lots of different viewpoints. That's because they follow the rules.
That is an outright flaming load of bull pucky. The last time Admin and I had a "discussion" she would NOT post my comments with links I supplied to back up my side of the discussion or my comments; only took portions out of context and refuted those. "Allows all discussion." Hardly! She's a sore loser and finally has control of a place where her view rules.
"I'll be back in 10 hours after I've read the latest recap/novel and I'm sure by then the name will have popped into my head." ~Nameless
LMAO Nameless, Bl sure outdid herself in volume.
I remember this episode. I can't believe Becks is such a bitter hag that she couldn't stand to give Collin some credit in how much he enjoyed and how hard he worked on the picnic table.
The kids most certainly used power sanders. They had sheet sanders and Kate had a belt sander.
But, Collin was so cute working with his mom. Kate praised and talked about he stayed the entire time. He really liked using the sheet sander. After they finished, Collin and Kate gave each other a satisfied smile. It's those kind of sweet moments that make me watch the show. How immature of Becky to totally twist the situation around, talk about emotionally stunted.
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Of course most of the kids start to gradually wander away, bored, now that Kate is power sanding and not including them or even letting them try it. What does she expect?
Just an observation now that yet another too long and boring segment is over, but why didn't they pull out the power sander sooner? Why did they all sit there with sandpaper blocks and slave away for who knows how long when Kate had a power sander right there all along that could have done the entire job in 10 minutes?
This is a rhetorical questions I suppose, and the answer to most of my rhetorical questions is usually, because it was being filmed. It makes no sense to do things quickly and efficiently when you're being filmed, then you'd never be able to find enough footage to fill up 60 minutes of this drivel every week. You can only roll your eyes I guess. The kids are half onto all this and will be all the way there soon.
I "allow" all discussion here. Many posters here have never had a single comment not approved, and have posted lots of different viewpoints. That's because they follow the rules.
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I wonder what rule I broke when I posted this---
"What I find frustrating is seeing a portion of a comment that you debate or when you carry on a debate but don't allow the whole comment."
Because it never showed up.
Must be the understood but not listed "always kiss the admin's hiney" rule.
Longevity? Most everyone is gone! I love that people are posting here that their comments never showed....and they are obviously reading. Bully behavior.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator has left a new comment on the post "Recap: Kate Plus 8 ''School Prep": Typically, ever...":
We've segued into some pretty interesting topics in part because we DON'T bring over other blogs' business here.
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Exactly. Forcing the discussion away from the "easy" thing, other blogs, or other posters, allows room for more interesting and stimulating conversation. Not every day will the conversation go there, but it creates a friendly environment for it. When you keep cycling back to the lowest common denominator (other blogs, other posters), you really don't leave enough breathing room for something better. That in turn fosters retention and longevity.
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The Beckspert has spoken.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator has left a new comment on the post "Recap: Kate Plus 8 ''School Prep": Typically, ever...":
I don't really much care if Kate's mom has defended her or doesn't. Those who are abused or put down often defend those doing that to them. Kate is so rude about her parents on her show without any opportunity for them to respond. It's tactless and manipulative. She hasn't said a single thing to suggest her parents are unsafe. She simply disagrees with their parenting choices raising her, which is not one in the same. She has expectations for her parents they either couldn't afford to provide her or chose NOT to provide her. She doesn't seem to understand a parent may be making a GOOD parenting choice by not providing their child lobster, manicures, and other upper class treats, and having expectations for them like yard work, as she has also complained about.
Time to move on stop being selfish and let her children have a chance at a relationship with them. Seriously, who at 40 is still whining about that weekend in '88 when dad made you rake the lawn all afternoon? Get over it.
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Becks is such a hypocrite!! She wrote a whole blog post about her parents buying her cheap Christmas presents and taking her to Olive Garden instead of a real Italian restaurant. Her poor parents...I wonder if they realize what a damaged person their daughter really is.
Jamesvader1194 has left a new comment on the post "Recap: Kate Plus 8 ''School Prep": Typically, ever...":
@Tucker's mom I didn't believe it was her mom even when i was a fan,what kind of mother throws her own son under the bus to protect her daughter?Wouldn't most real moms want their children to stop this back and forth fighting and get along?Then again,i don't see that with Kate.But like you said,with Kate always throwing her parents under the bus,i don't believe she talks to either of them.
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It was her mom. A mother will protect her child from her other child if the other child is way out of line as Kevin and Saint Jodie were.
This just drives me nuts. These people have NO IDEA whether Kate speaks to her parents or not. None of us do. When Kate's Mom was talking to us on IW, it was obvious that she did she Kate... but Kate is very discreet. She has never discussed who she sees or doesn't see. The haters base everything on one statement made 10 years ago. The rest is just a result of their vivid imaginations.
This one is a doozey:
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...44
Kate is so rude about her parents on her show without any opportunity for them to respond. It's tactless and manipulative.
And Admin does the same thing to posters who have a different opinion-gives them no opportunity to respond. And yes, Beckspew, it is tactless and manipulative.
The Beckspert said...
"It's not fair to post a point as anonymous then cry me not posting it. It wasn't not posted because of the viewpoint, it was not posted because of the anonymous, or some other rule violation."
So now Becks claims that someone's post was not posted because they violated the "no anonymous posters" rule. That's such a crock. It's perfectly okay for the Beckspert to post snippets of people's comments so she can argue against them, and remove their user name, but oh, dontcha dare post without using a name. And what difference does the name make anyway? It's not like most of us use our real names anyway. For full disclosure, my name isn't actually Courtney. :-)
And as an aside, Tucker's needs to just quit with herr one big word of the day. It stands out like a sore thumb and is always so obviously not part of her everyday vernacular.
Courtney, that is one of the many things that is repulsive about Tucker....her word of the day. I wonder if she gets them emailed to her everyday and has to use them in a sentence.....hmmm
jamezvader1194 has left a new comment on the post "Recap: Kate Plus 8 ''School Prep": Typically, ever...":
@4rmine I get where you're coming from but should we believe Kate?I mean Kate is basically saying that she talks to almost all her family(except Kevin)and that they all want to live private lives and not one of them wants to be on the show?This is the same woman who insists that all 8 of her kids love filming.You can't tell me that not one relative doesn't want to be on the show with her.If you look at other TLC shows,they at least have that one relative that appears on the show.So why doesn't Kate have at least one appearing on there?I think if her family members were on the show like other TLC families,she'd have a more higher viewer rate.But thats what i think.
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The way the haters rip apart and harass anyone that associates with Kate ie: Deanna, Jamie, Steve. Can you blame them for not wanting to be on the show?
Anyone other than me ever wonder why jamezvader1194 sometimes spells his (her) name with a "z" and other times with an "s?"
Tucker's Mom is competing with the Beckspert for biggest board bitch. Can't they just share the prize and call it a day?
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Tucker's Mom said... 67
Umm, doubt that on the refurbished barn wood table.
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Umm, is it Talk Like Kate Day?
Hmm?
Sue_BuddyApril 12, 2016 12:23 PM
Anyone other than me ever wonder why jamezvader1194 sometimes spells his (her) name with a "z" and other times with an "s?"
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As long as you sign in with a name, no matter how inconsistent...blog rules and all that.
I just wish that poster would learn how to capitalize and space after punctuation. I have to scroll past his/her posts. They're too hard to read.
It's national grilled cheese day. Will TM call hers a Croque Monsieur?
CJWhodunit @CJWhodunit 7h7 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 @Mydmaxx Wow! It's been almost summer-y here but a bad hailstorm slammed the area yesterday!😱
LOL! The most common time for hail to fall is during the spring and summer. Thunderstorms trigger it. It's sleet that comes down during the winter.There's a difference. I guess meteorology isn't the tweeter's strong suit!
I wonder if Kate cares.
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I wonder why YOU care who or what they tweet to Kate. Is your self esteem really so low?
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator has left a new comment on the post "Recap: Kate Plus 8 ''School Prep": Typically, ever...":
Right, you just focus back to the lowest common denominator, Kate, Milo, Goody and rehash the same things over and over and over. Every thought has been restated her ad nauseum, for years. Every idea, every theory. You snark on Kate and her twitter people but in YOUR mind that is different than what the Sage people do. You are deluded.
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I disagree with that. We have talked about so much else other than Kate Plus 8. In particular I really enjoyed our discussion about Kim Davis when that went down. We have had some really interesting political discussions as well. Of course we will continue to discuss Gosselin news here as this is a Gosselin blog about a public family and public TV show that many other people are discussing out there--there is nothing odd or strange about that, it is done every day around the internet about all facets of pop culture. This is simply one little corner, niche, of that pop culture not unlike thousands of other niche pop culture blogs. I'm not sure how you can with a straight face compare that to a blog that solely exists to talk about other bloggers--which is VERY odd and strange and might I add, creepy, and has absolutely nothing to do with something in the public domain or something pop culture. Weird. My statements about the success of TWOP and their strict rules forbidding what you do on another blog are true and really can't be refuted. Their incredible success doesn't lie.
I don't have any other blog than this one and even if I did I don't think I would intermingle them. If you have questions about some other blog whatever blog you speak of why not ask them on that blog? That makes more sense.
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Does anyone remember what the name of Becks blog was before the one she has now? Wasn't it called the 465,000 debt blog? or something like that. I know somewhere I have a direct copy of what she wrote when dissing her parents for not having the forethought to have money to pay for her college.I think it was the same post that she complained about how cheap and junky their house was.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator has left a new comment on the post "Recap: Kate Plus 8 ''School Prep": Typically, ever...":
Better yet, start your own blog and see how long you can keep it viable.
Good luck with that.
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Starting a blog is easy they said. Getting people to stick around for over 6 years is a piece of cake they said.
Unfortunately the more the other blog drops in here to tell us how awful and pathetic we are the more pathetic they look. Nobody drops by there to tell them they suck because nobody cares. Sad.
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Getting a little testy Becks? LOL No they don't stop by here to tell us we suck. Your readers and former readers stop by here to tell us YOU suck.
When I have some time I will search for that post she made back in the day. Becks is a bitter and angry person....her parents probably should have gotten her therapy.
Here you go Sage.
Shameful, just shameful.
When money comes between adult children and parents
via Drowning in $166,356.75 in debt by Administrator on 12/28/09
I haven't written about this too much since I don't see my parents that often, but lately my parents and how they spend money has become very frustrating to me. Usually I don't care what they do, but since I'm home for the holidays for a few weeks, it directly affects me.
Our latest fight is over where my mom and I are going to meet my dad to eat after my mom and I see a musical on Saturday. I suggested a moderately priced Italian restaurant half way. Entrees are 10-12 dollars, with salads and drinks extra. Since I live in a very expensive city, that sounds perfectly reasonable, and quite frankly cheap, to me. They insist on eating at Olive Garden, a chain I absolutely cannot stand. I really am not a picky eater about specific foods, but I am picky about quality. Olive Garden has always tasted overly processed (which I'm sure it is), fake (yes), and fast-food style "Italian." It makes my skin crawl, especially since I actually am Italian. Moreover I've told my parents I hate that place many times, and yet they still want to eat there. We would maybe save 10 bucks at Olive Garden.
It also really bothers me that they amass a lot of cheap junk, instead of a few nice things that will last forever. Their house is cluttered with furniture from Walmart, or hand-me-downs, or garage pieces, as well as who knows how many useless gadgets, nick knacks, and other things we don't need. Nothing matches and everything looks cheap. If they had focused on a few key pieces, we could have a very nice-looking house.
I know this may sound very ungrateful, but bear with me .... for Christmas, they gave me more junk. I don't want junk. I don't need more junk. I specifically asked for things that weren't junk. Basically clothes, which is what I need for work and which has a shelf life. You throw them out eventually and don't clutter your place with more useless junk.
Having nannied for two families who managed their money very, very well, I got a taste of what a childhood can be like when your parents know what they're doing with money. In a way, I lived vicariously through those boys at times. They had so many experiences and opportunities I never had at their age.
I think one of the underlining issues going on here is a part of me resents my parents. I resent them for not managing money better. I resent them because I was picked on in school for not having trendy clothes. We couldn't afford them. I resent them because we never went on nice vacations. I resent them because I had never tasted sushi, Thai food, or done anything exotic, so that when I got out to the real world, I felt really stupid at times with my more cultured friends. I resent them because I had to pay for college, almost all of it, myself. Where was my 529 plan? They didn't set it up. I resent them because I feel like part of my debt has to do with them not setting me up financially for adulthood. Again I really am aware this sounds selfish and ungrateful....but it's feelings I'm working through right now.
Dave Ramsey does a lot of preaching on how to financially secure your kids. I can't change the mistakes my parents made, but when I have kids, which I hope I do, I can manage their money differently.
So Becks has a no blog on blog rule, until she doesn't. That rule sure seems to go out the window when she wants to tell everyone how great her blog is and how much this blog sucks.
But she's not a hypocrite. Just ask her.
Thanks Merryway! I knew you would have it. You are amazing!
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator has left a new comment on the post "Recap: Kate Plus 8 ''School Prep": Typically, ever...":
I don't even know what other blogs that blog on other blogs people are referencing. Wouldn't have any interest. Don't care.
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I don't think most people are interested in that kind of thing which is why very few blogs out there do it because no one is interested.
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Well you sure are interested. Becks has been reading here for years.
merrywayApril 12, 2016 10:01 PM
Here you go Sage.
Shameful, just shameful.
When money comes between adult children and parents
via Drowning in $166,356.75 in debt by Administrator on 12/28/09
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I just read that post for the first time and I'm simply stunned. That woman has absolutely NO right to say one word about anyone else's relationship with their parents.
She has blathered on for years about Kate being ungrateful to her parents, but posts something like this that is 1000 times worse than anything Kate has said?? The absolute nerve.
Sorry for all the posts, but there's so many good posts to respond to.
You know what? I want to make sure that little blog post by Becks concerning her bad childhood stays around. Sort of a reminder what a hypocrite she is.
Oh yeah, I forgot to write what I came to say.
Bl's has talked and still talks about blogs/bloggers all the time. Of course, they copy every tweet to Kate so they can mock it in their lowest common denominator kind of way.
Many man times, while in the midst of talking about other blogs/bloggers, Bl starts with holier-than-thou rule spiel trying to deny the obvious as it actually happening. It's a warped world in which they live.
Here's part of another post of Bl's from back in the day. The part about the kid is creepy. Uhm, attention Bleeple, your beloved Admin was referring to you when she talks about manipulation. Keep on enjoying that.
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Things going wrong....
via Drowning in $166,356.75 in debt by Administrator on 8/21/09
This is not so debt related, but I had a bad day. It's been a crappy summer actually.
I don't write much about personal stuff because I want to keep things on topic, my Debt. So a little background, I am usually a very cheerful person. I'm optimistic, I love life, my self-esteem is pretty high, I would say I'm happy in general. Lately though, I haven't been feeling like my normal self.
I moved to a new courtroom at work, and I feel like I'm being hazed by a couple of the attorneys in there. It's not fair, it's not right, and there's nothing I can do about it. I miss my old courtroom and my old friends there. I even miss my clients. I'm sick of hearing that my old clients miss me, and I'm sick of my new clients complaining about how many attorneys they've had.
I'm in the middle of losing a big trial because my judge doesn't have the guts to take a chance on my client. A defense attorney loses a lot and I'm used to it (it makes the wins sweeter), but I've known this client 18 months, we've formed a bond, I feel for her, and I know how much her situation has changed now. It stinks we're going to lose, because when we lose it means she will lose what is most important to her, she stands to lose everything, and I'm not talking about money.
A little boy I nannied for a few years ago whom I absolutely adore won't talk to me anymore. Won't return my texts, or add me on facebook, or anything. I'm not asking for a novel, I just want a "hi how are ya?" It was one of those nanny jobs where I did everything for him except be his actual birth mother. We loved each other. He told me he loved me. Now I'm just the former hired help.
My side job has taken a huge pay cut because of the economy. Piano is my outlet and now I'm being fazed out. It STINKS.
My Adsense for another Web site I run is dropping like a rock after months and months of consistency. I cannot for the life of me figure out why and no amount of manipulation is helping. This stinks too.
Things have fizzled out in a relationship I was in. I still want a relationship with this person, they do not. ...
Becks writing about why she resents her parents says a lot about her hate for Kate and why she calls the kids spoiled. She envies them....I mean really envies them.
I think one of the underlining issues going on here is a part of me resents my parents. I resent them for not managing money better. I resent them because I was picked on in school for not having trendy clothes. We couldn't afford them. I resent them because we never went on nice vacations. I resent them because I had never tasted sushi, Thai food, or done anything exotic, so that when I got out to the real world, I felt really stupid at times with my more cultured friends. I resent them because I had to pay for college, almost all of it, myself. Where was my 529 plan? They didn't set it up. I resent them because I feel like part of my debt has to do with them not setting me up financially for adulthood. Again I really am aware this sounds selfish and ungrateful....but it's feelings I'm working through right now.
That is creepy writing about that boy she nannied. I can see why he wants nothing to do with her. This is something they put on Lifetime movies. The over possessive nanny.
The adsense for another Web site of hers dropping had to have been the birth fetish site.
Oops, my bad. Thanks for setting that straight Sage.
I can't believe Becks has anyone left. But the ones that are still there really seem to enjoy following that hypocritical woman who will lie right their blog faces about legal matters, who always has to be right, and who ran a subscription birth fetish site.
When I was living at home I had never tasted sushi, Thai food, or anything exotic. When I did eat those I did not feel out of place. I went with people who had been to those restaurants and they guided me through without any judgement. I also did not wear trendy clothes growing up. I was not picked on because of that. I paid for every cent of my college and grad degree by having a job. Started saving before college. I did not resent my parents for that.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator has left a new comment on the post "Recap: Kate Plus 8 ''School Prep": Typically, ever...":
Ha oh that's the most annoying thing at all about her "your childhood is better than mine" comments. She wants credit for their better childhood. Bitch, please! You sent out a bunch of demo tapes and letters begging for a show when they were six months old and someone finally took the bait. You have this lifestyle by sheer luck and 50 bucks spent in postage, not hard work.
And yes Tucker I like how your mother's comments about your childhood were not framed in an inverse relationship, which fosters a sense of negativity and resentment. You weren't given "more" because your mom got "less". Your more was just a different kind of more than what she had. It's all about how you frame things.
Growing up I always knew I had "more" than how my grandparents raised their children. For one that had many more kids to raise, for another they lived in a blue collar part of the country and made next to nothing. But that childhood was never framed for me like they were missing something. I knew they didn't have cable, all the toys I had, a pool, or as many vacations as we took, but I didn't see it as somehow my childhood was "better" than a childhood spent running barefoot through apple orchards in the hot summers playing games, going to church and spending lots of time with family and friends. In fact, I was raised to appreciate this part of our family too, the simpler values and pastimes, and to pass it on.
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All I can say is Becks, bitch please!
To the rest of you from the bleeple blog....YOU ARE BEING MANIPULATED. Some of you are starting to write like Becks and think like her. Wake up!
"Ha oh that's the most annoying thing at all about her "your childhood is better than mine" comments. She wants credit for their better childhood" ~Bl
That's funny. I've seen Bl's rant a million times that Kate holds her children hostage by manipulating them into believing they would be destitute without the show. Supposedly, the threat of losing home and school coupled with bribes is how Kate keeps the kids willing to film.
Kate makes matter-of-fact statements about her childhood. Because bl has to blast Kate for everything, they twist twist twist without even noticing it conflicts with their other tirades.
And, Kate is the mom making the decisions, because that's her job. So, yeah, she does get credit.
Boy, you guys have gone off the deep end huh? Going on and on ad infinitum about Becky's blog in the exact same way they go off Kate. Not an inch of difference between the two blogs. Get over yourselves.
Good Morning, Anonymous. Thanks for dropping by and telling us we suck, thus disproving the Beckspert's claim that nobody cares enough about this place to do just that!
Ha! Anonymous,
The difference between us and Becks is obvious as I and others have pointed out many times.
From the day they blog first started I said I was going to point out the hypocrisy of the hate blogs and twitter and that is what we do. We hold up a mirror and show them their ugliness.
Something tells me tho, that you already know that and you are commenting to stir the pot.
If you really want to stir it you should go and ask the Beckspert what she meant by her old blog posts. We both know that she will not publish it.
Of course you like to claim you are different. It's so funny to hear you repeat the same thing over and over and over. Yet the very presence of this blog proves my point. Your need to trash every post at 15 exclusively for the existence of this blog is weirdly weird. I have no idea why anyone on either side even cares anymore. Myself included. I feel like I just like to watch the fireworks between both worlds. Strange that you are very rarely mentioned there but this blog is all about the other.
"It's so funny to hear you repeat the same thing over and over and over."
Pot meet kettle. Every time you wander over here, you say the exact same thing.
I thought our existence was to trash Jon?
Speaking of Jon, isn't it anyone tracking down the local charity that is holding the dancing event? Why isn't someone checking on their legitimacy, digging up past financial records, demeaning how the funds are spent, emailing and tweeting to tell them how horrible they are for having Jon participate? No one's posted any info on his dance partner, tweeted her, posted nasty comments on their fb, tracked down her family members looking for dirt? No one has speculated about their relationship?
Comeon! We are letting ourselves slip in our duty to Queen Kate.
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..... Strange that you are very rarely mentioned there but this blog is all about the other.
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Not strange at all...try real hard and think about it. :)
I don't need to think hard about you Sage. You are strange.
Dallas Lady, Millicent, PJ, Auntie Aunne, Bear's Wife, Dwindle, silimom, a pink straight jacket for Kate, Nobody Likes a Narcissist......
just a few peeps who saw the light and jumped ship.
That blog post Dear Leader wrote is SCATHING. What. a. bitch! And what a GIANT hypocrite, too.
It would be interesting to hear what light they saw that made them jump.
Oh, man, this is hilarious. I was going to comment here earlier about how I see Becks as a Better Call Saul type (without the personality or humor), a flim flam public defender, assigned by the state to those who cannot afford a good attorney, and she posts this tonight:
"There are jobs you go to and put on your job hat then take it off at the end of the day, and then there are jobs that are who you are as a PERSON. Better Call Saul has captured this in all its pain and beauty."
Amazing, we agree. We both see you as a Better Call Saul type. Do you post from a computer in your cramped room in the back of a nail salon?
I think she sees herself as a voice for the downtrodden but the fact that she's devoted 9 years of her life as the owner of a blog that encourages her posters to continually denigrate another person, often with no evidence for what is posted, shows she doesn't even have Saul's integrity. He'd never have such a blog.
What a parody that would make.
"Better Call Becks"
Good Lord, They can't even give her a pass on a picnic table. The Beckspert must not realize that picnic tables live OUTSIDE in all weather and they get weathered and worn, no matter how you take care of them. (I guess she was too underprivileged to have a picnic table!) There is.not.one.thing pertaining to Kate that they don't critique and condemn. Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill.
SageApril 14, 2016 12:02 AM
It would be interesting to hear what light they saw that made them jump.
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Although I'm not on the list of ship jumpers, here is why I ended up here:
I was originally a fan of the show. I have a blended family of 8 kids. We used to watch and say "at least we don't have 6 the same age". I became disenchanted by Kate's attitude and the wat she treated Jon. Found GWOP and from there found 15.
Jon's antics and instability post divorce made me view him in a different light. I read at 15 every day, but rarely posted because I couldn't stand the Saint Jon crap.
What put me over the edge, so to speak, about 15, was the whole child support debacle. BL was absolutely 100% wrong about a parent not being able to release the other parent from a child support obligation. I work in family law and I see support waived all the time. The judges only want to know that the children will be cared for and if their needs are adequately met, no judge here would refuse to abate support if the parties agree.
I posted several posts refuting the crap Becks was putting out there, but of course none of mine went through.
I stuck around to read and watched Becks talk down to many other posters. I even posted at one point that her blog was going to fail if she kept pissing people off. She let that one through and let her minions set me straight. Of course, Tucker's led the pack.
So, not too long ago, I saw a reference to this blog on 15, scoped it out, saw some familiar names and joined the fun here.
To those of you who have recently jumped ship... First of all, welcome! We're glad you've found us.
Something I've wondered is the reaction the bleeps have had (or lack of reaction) to Beck's childbirth fetish blog. There is no way that they don't know about it, but, of course, there has never been one word posted either for or against or as a lecture from the BL explaining it all.
Sue_Buddy said...a blog that encourages her posters to continually denigrate another person, often with no evidence for what is posted.
Is this the same Sue Buddy who used to write articles making fun of Kate Gosselin? Your articles certainly encouraged people to denigrate Ms. Gosselin. It seems a bit like the pot is calling the kettle black.
Bl is ranting that Kate has no right to complain because she's got money. I guess there's a new episode coming out for the show's 10yr anniversary where Kate talks about then and now challenges.
Never mind the tons of assumptions that Bl is making in her rant. I just like the hypocrisy shown in what she's posting now and what she posted when the world lost Robin Williams.
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Moreover, it is within her power to change SO many things in her life, but she refuses to do so. Reconciling relationships, moving on, letting bygones by bygones, co-parenting effectively, and streamlining her lifestyle to make it less cost-intensive.
In a word, let go of her pride, and in another word, pray for grace.
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And, as a very wealthy woman compared to most people in the U.S., she can afford intensive, in-home therapy with a licensed therapist to help her come to terms with all of that dysfunction and change things about how she lives her life. She can also afford a psychological evaluation and if need be, medication and other psycho-treatment.
You don't get to cry woe is me I have it tough when you make no effort to change anything about what's tough about your life or take advantage of all the resources out there to assist you. Do you know how many struggling people out there would love to be able to afford to pay a professional to help them get better?
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They've done studies on this, and have found that the salary that makes people the most happy is actually about $75,000 a year. That is by no means rich but is uaully plenty of money for most families to be comfortable on if they live within their means. Yet most Americans don't make anything close to that. So yes, more money does make you happier and life easier.
April 14, 2016 at 12:01 PM
But here's what BL said when Robins Williams committed suicide.
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Gee Whiz @GeeWhiz__ 20m
@ReneeAudric @8MindBodySoul @KimberlyCullen5 @Kateplusmy8 Really? But she still has 3 cars & acreage & a big house & that eats you up! ��
When all else fails, you drag out the jellus card. Yes, that's what it's all about. Material possessions. Money always buys happiness.
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It's amazing they would pull this this card in light of recent events. Talk about obtuse.
August 13, 2014 at 8:59 PM
$75K a year makes people happy? I guess BL hasn't ever lived in this area. For that matter, she has no earthly idea what she is talking about. Yes, every time she and her lacky, Tucker's Mom, write, they just seethe jealousy. They can deny it all they want, but their ignorance gives them away every time.
So agree Quiltart. There always that underlying tone.
I am a ship jumper. I asked her about her other blog and she denied it. Wish someone here would post proof of it and a link. I called her out about the picnic table and only posting parts of comments.
I'm done there. My name is JoJo.
I had never heard anything about the other site, and have only seen references to it here. Can someone here shed more light for us new folks?
Well you are all welcome here.
I am curious. Did you ask her about the birth fetish site or the debt blog?
I am not familiar with the birth fetish site but bullyville believed the lawyer in charge of the site was linked to Hoffman and Jon's attempt to defame Kate. Radar Online posted an article and stated, "McGibney also tells Radar there is a lawyer who he believes is tied into the money scheme that Jon and Robert hatched. “This lawyer owned and operated a birth fetish video website, including categories like teen births and birth on toilets,” he told Radar, adding that “screenshots of Google Adsense code clearly tied the owner of (an anti-Kate website) to this birth fetish video website.”"
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/04/kate-gosselin-lawsuit-jon-gosselin-book-author-robert-hoffman/
Maybe there are a number of lawyers with these types of sites... but I doubt it.
Fascinated.
Anonymous Aisling said...
Sue_Buddy said...a blog that encourages her posters to continually denigrate another person, often with no evidence for what is posted.
Is this the same Sue Buddy who used to write articles making fun of Kate Gosselin? Your articles certainly encouraged people to denigrate Ms. Gosselin. It seems a bit like the pot is calling the kettle black.
April 14, 2016 12:28 PM
Yep. I did that for several months. It was satire based on the ridiculous and laughable things she said and did and wrote. You can read satire on public figures every day of the week. Big difference between Beck's 9 year blog and my satire. I guess you didn't notice. But it was anti-Kate, so I suppose, for some, it's all the same.
Sue, please don't try to white wash. Nothing satirical about your articles. Especially, creating a fiasco involving the Red Cross.
Merryway, I'm not going to get into it regarding satire vs unsubstantiated rumor, innuendo and at times downright lies. I will merely say , as I said above, and for the last time, my satire was based on things she actually said and did for all to see. Some people don't like satire, some don't get it, some like it unless it's directed toward someone they admire. That's fine. It's never going away and it's a big world with lots of choices of what to read and not read. And furthermore, I doubt my satire did Kate any harm, and maybe even made her fans rally around her offering their undying support. I actually think Bvilel and his rantings, threats and lawsuits did her reputation more harm than some spiracle columns ever could.
Bvilel should be Bullyville.
Oh, I get satire. I'm a huge fan when well done. You were not satirical, you presented your articles as facts. You led the hater brigade and were hailed their hero. There's nothing satirical about calling the Red Cross to complain about an innocuous pic of Kate. A pic she posted on her blog because she was asked to participate in a Red Cross campaign. That uproar required two articles from you. One of them is copied below.
This is Sage's blogs and her rules. FTR, I also have no problem with you posting your opinion here. But, you are certainly downplaying what used to be an obsessive hatred of all things Kate. So, expect to get called on that.
This is an email excerpt from the same Red Cross guy you contacted.
Unfortunately those who contacted me in previous emails and by phone misrepresented themselves and have since misrepresented what I said. I did mistakenly write that we have asked Ms. Gosselin to take down the photo. We have not. I meant to write we have asked that she submit a different photo for us to use on the phillyhomefire website.
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Kate Gosselin, The Red Cross and the Facts
November 08, 2011 08:17 PM EST
views: 41 If this doesn’t beat all. Kate Gosselin wrapped in an American Red Cross blanket trying to look coquettish. The picture that is now on her blog would be more appropriate as a cheap porn magazine cover with the headline, “See MORE Inside.” Is this how Kate supports charity instead of actually donating money? Why assault the Red Cross with her ill thought out choices? I wonder if she mentioned in her talk at Penn State that, for her, “determination” means abandoning self-respect, good taste and sense; do anything for the almighty me?
Since I donate to the Red Cross, I found the picture to be an extremely offensive and unprofessional way to market an international, well-respected charitable organization, and I called American Red Cross of Southeastern Pennsylvania to let them know how I felt and ask some questions. Here’s what I learned:
The photo is in no way sanctioned by the Red Cross or American Red Cross of Southeastern Pennsylvania . They get NO advertising revenue from any hits on her blog. It was a personal decision made by Kate with no communication between her and anyone affiliated with American Red Cross of Southeastern Pennsylvania. That is why there is no link to the organization on her blog. Kate is doing this entirely on her own, inflicting her bad taste upon a fine organization, in other words. American Red Cross of Southeastern Pennsylvania first heard about the picture last night and they have been receiving calls ever since. They had not decided, at the time of my call, if they would approach Kate with complaints they’ve received. They can do that, but can’t make demands. If she wants to keep the picture up she has that right. The young man I talked to was very courteous. He very politely asked me if I was offended because of the implications of the photo or if it was because it was done by Kate Gosselin. I told him I’d questioned myself about that before I called, since the whole debacle was enough to make me stop contributing. Then I explained that if it had been anyone, another celebrity or a hired model using sexual innuendo for marketing, I would have been angry, and said I was 60% offended by the extremely bad taste and 40% bothered that it was Kate Gosselin without going into detail about child exploitation issues. I asked him what he thought of the image and he said it wouldn’t have been his choice for any kind of marketing.
Unfortunately, the timing isn’t good to deal with this situation even if the Red Cross wants to. Kate will soon be far, far away. How convenient.
Merryway, I'm missing the "satire" part also and I too love satire. I'm not sure how writing an article about how you called the Red Cross to complain about the "extremely offensive and unprofessional" photo and their response qualifies as satire.
I guess I missed the 'satire' too.
I, too, missed the satire. Sue, we're happy you've found us, but we would really appreciate an explanation from you. It's obvious you've changed your stance. What happened?
Whether satire or not, she based her comments on WHAT Kate Gosselin said. You all seem to want to rewrite history but she based her criticisms on what drooled out of Kate's mouth. And agree or disagree, the picture of the Red Cross blanket was pure Kate. Trying to give the impression she was hot and sexy. Problem was, everyone knew what her personality was like and no matter how she cleans up on the outside, she is poison on the inside.
Sue Buddy, please, if you would be so kind, explain the satire in what you wrote. I realize that you could easily say that you don't have to, like a petulant child, but to declare that what you wrote is satirical, but so far no one is seeing that, just doesn't fly.
Excuse me, Anonymous... Her comments had NOTHING to do with what Kate said, because, if I recall, Kate didn't say anything. The haters were in a frenzy because Kate was considered enough of a celebrity to be asked to pose with the blanket in the first place and then, they decided that her photo didn't meet their requirements of what a mother should look like.
'And agree or disagree, the picture of the Red Cross blanket was pure Kate. Trying to give the impression she was hot and sexy.'
I did not see an impression of Kate trying to convey she was hot and sexy! Good grief! That was what you saw.
Quiltart said...
I, too, missed the satire. Sue, we're happy you've found us, but we would really appreciate an explanation from you. It's obvious you've changed your stance. What happened?
April 15, 2016 5:55 PM
Thanks, Quiltart
Changed what stance-how I feel about 15 Min blog? My stance on how I feel about Kate? I'm not clear on what you mean.
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Francie said...
Sue Buddy, please, if you would be so kind, explain the satire in what you wrote. I realize that you could easily say that you don't have to, like a petulant child, but to declare that what you wrote is satirical, but so far no one is seeing that, just doesn't fly.
April 15, 2016 6:26 PM
Francie, that is one article out of maybe 30. Maybe someone could post one that was more in a satirical vein that a disgusted vein. Just kidding. I realize Kate's fans see nothing funny about making fun of her. Although I'm really not suggesting that. This is Sage's blog, not a repository for others' writings. That particular photo did ruffle my feathers whereas, usually, her antics merely made me laugh. Kate did go thru some weird, pathetic trying-to-be-sexy stage. Thankfully she eventually donned a bra, lost the flimsy tank tops and started acting more her age and like a mother of 8 instead of a MILF wannabe. I was pleased to see that act of maturity.
Sue, I'm interested in your stance on Kate, since many of your articles were rather scathing of her... I think you've told us about your stance on 15.
Quiltart, I haven't changed my stance on Kate. I still don't like her. There's just nothing left to be said and rehashing doesn't hold a lot of interest for me unless it's to remember the funny stuff, you know, the bird with no arms, what's a crazy horse, all that wasted space in the Grand Canyon, her ghastly paparazzi dance. Those will always make me laugh.
I think Becks debt blog is deleted. Her birth fetish site, I think, is still around but cleaned up a lot.
Does anyone else know? Merryway?
This is a very sincere question and I'm not trying to put anyone on the defense, but Im curious if any of the regulars here see any fault with Kate? I don't mean find fault with every single thing she does like 15. But, like thinking the hooked heel, short-shorts stage was inappropriate, or that some of the blogs she's written were unrelatable?
I find the criticism at 15 over the top. I can relate to some of the things she has done, raising a large family myself. And I don't begrudge her on bit for having the big house, pool, or even being on TV. I'm on the fence about how it affects the kids, just because there are so many instances about TV careers having adverse affects on kids.
But Kate does have some unlikable qualities and she doesn't seem to grow much to change the things she's been criticized for.
And I'm still curious about these other sites of BL's.
We have said here that we don't agree with everything Kate says or does. There are times I have cringed. Shorts and heels are not one of them tho. Kate is a very attractive woman and I think after the divorce she had to find her stride. She seems to have found it now.
I do think she has grown. I also, think that Jon was and is a very difficult person and adds to the stress of her raising the kids. I think there is a lot she could say about Jon but does not.
I don't think Kate wants fame and she is uncomfortable with it. I believe her goal is to have enough money to raise her kids in a comfortable life and for them to have a future.
As far as I know, both sites are gone. The Drowning in Debt blog was removed first. Actually, it was a search for the debt blog that led to the discovery that Becks was running a very strange fetish site.
In 11/2011, a blogger friend was looking for proof of the debt blog. The debt blog had been removed, but there were still links out there.
One site that had a link to Becks' debt blog was a scholarly abstract about the online birthing video community. The author was talking pro/cons and noted that a problem was commercialism. As an example, the author mentioned a birth site that had associated links to a Debt Blog and a Gosselin blog. (excerpt below)
"Additionally, the political relevance of the website is potentially undermined by the inclusion of particular links on birthvideos.tk’s homepage that are seemingly unconnected to birth – as “original” texts of the website (rather than additional advertisements that are externally-generated), alliances include blogs like Divorce, Gosselin Style that tediously follows and comments on the break up of celebrity couple Kate and Jon Gosselin (stars of The Learning Channel’s reality television show Jon & Kate Plus Eight that features the couple and their eight children) and 165K in Debt (apparently authored by the same attorney as the Gosselin blog)."
When you clicked on the link in the article, the birth site had moved and was rename called http://www.freebirthvideos.net/.
My friend did a Godaddy search and Beck's name was listed as the owner. I believe you had to pay to have your name made private and she had not.
It was a horrible site. It was subscription, $19.99 for 6 months of viewing and had over 200 members. Members had names such as Mummybuns, cervixdilation, hot4preg, rapethemaids, ObstetriXXX. It had a category of "teen moms" and "unusual births." The teaser was a graphic still of a girl from West Africa giving birth, she was a victim of of female castration. There was no way to tell how old she was.
After it was revealed that Becks was the owner, the fetish site was immediately changed. The teen category was removed and graphic pics switched to fluffy clouds, babies and cute couples. She also had her name privatized as the owner.
Bl's had a youtube promo for her fetish site. Her name was 1000rrh. Below are a couple of her comments
100rrh July 31, 2011 at 3:10 pm
@jessicalange7777 you’re welcome but could you please uplaod the other video that is more graphic? this is from so far away. thanks!
100rrh July 31, 2011 at 5:06 pm
Beautiful birth congrats and good for you catching your own baby! See the woman videotaping so we can actually see between her legs? Could you please upload that video even if it’s graphic? Thanks!
Courtney, I don't think Kate is without faults. I don't believe her to be an evil manipulative conniving succubus from hell as Bl and her posters do.
I didn't even care for Kate until she and Jon divorced and she started to loosen up. I could identify with her as a mom and a pastor's daughter (not one myself, but my grandmother was a pastor as well as other members of my family.)
Uptight or not, I think her priority is caring for her children. I think she wants the best for them. She's allowed to try and fail, learn and grow just like the rest of us.
"Bl's had a youtube promo for her fetish site. Her name was 1000rrh. Below are a couple of her comments"
That reads funny.
I didn't mean "BL's" blog. I meant Bl, Becks herself had a youtube account to promote her birth fetish site.
I've never thought Kate was perfect, but I choose not to judge, because I've never walked in her shoes. I only raised one child. I can't imagine having six of the same ago, or even two of the same age! Sometimes I've cringed at some of the things Kate has said or done, but there is nothing she has done, IMHO, to warrant the kind of unbridled hatred that has been showered upon her. The fact that so many have so virulently attacked and her and done everything in their power to thwart everything she has attempted to do to support her family has made me want to support her more. No one deserves what has happened to her... Especially since the same people who have tried to ruin her have held Jon up as a paragon of virtue. BL's crew dissects every.single.word. over and over and over and over. To be perfectly honest, if she spanked a child 10 years ago... I don't care. If she is beating her kids regularly TODAY that is a different thing, but there is no evidence that her children are mistreated, except in the imaginations of some of her critics.
I am a long time reader here and an occasional reader at 15. My interest is not Kate or the Gosselins but more about Internet behavior - particularly how hate and ugliness gets fostered and continued because people can hide behind their anonymity (or think they can). Things many people write on 15 and do on Internet would often be incredibly embarrassing to them if their family, neighbors, and coworkers could see it all. I also find it fascinating how the haters justify themselves as "doing it to protect the kids." Picking apart their mother and trying to prevent her from getting paid jobs doesn't help the kids.
What I admire about Kate is that she has kept the kids in their home and in their school since the divorce and has done this on her own. It is easy for the haters (they may not like the term but that is what someone who posts negativity continuously is) to say that 9 people could easily live in a smaller house and the kids could go to public schools but I don't see how uprooting kids from their home and school after a divorce benefits them. Kate has been the rock of stability in those kids lives.
There are many things that I dislike about Kate as well. I do think she is too uptight and rigid - probably not the best combination foe someone with 8 kids. I have cringed at some of the things she says but only when she is lashing out verbally as I generally see it as an overreaction to the situation. I would not, wear the short skirts, tank tops, and high heels she does but I know other women her age that either do or have gone through a stage of doing so. Discussing it or vilifying someone for it seems ridiculous.
Personally, I thought the Red Cross Blanket picture was no big deal and was shocked at the brouhaha it caused. It seemed to me like people where just looking for a reason to cause Kate some grief.
Thank you all for answering. And thank you for trudging through my incredibly poorly written post.:-)
I have a much better understanding of this blog now, as it relates to Kate.
Thanks again, Merryway. I know I kept some of that stuff but I just can't remember where!
Courtney, your posts are fine. I am glad you asked.
Count me among those who has found plenty to cringe at with Kate but just doesn't think she's the devil incarnate deserving of the vitriol and obsessive hatred that has been directed at her for years.
Oh God, this is just so stupid. I rarely venture to Twitter, but how exactly has Kate interacted with fans to make them believe they are her close friends? These are ADULTS, not children. If an adult chooses to believe that they are close friends with a famous person they don't know by virtue of Twitter, there is a problem with that adult. An armchair psychologist might say that the ol' Beckspert has formed one or more of these Twitter "friendships" with celebs and is projecting...
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Exactly. Bottom line is that he doesn't NEED adoration, doesn't want it, doesn't expect it and doesn't lead anyone to believe that he is that person's best friend. That's just not him.
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Well said.
You know, I do have different standards for the two of them when it comes to what I expect out of their social media. One standard is for Kate and any other celeb who have (falsely) led their fans into believing they are close friends, there for each other, have something special among themselves. And the other one is for Jon and the celebs who have kept social media guarded, professional, and set clear boundaries. I recall Jon many times being very firm about how he does not want people badgering him about his kids on his social media. He has set boundaries.
For the first set, I do expect them to treat fans like a good friend, as they have made it clear they are friends. That means thank you's for all the happy birthdays, responding to people who are trying to speak to you or have patiently asked you the same question many times (have you read my book???) and not disappearing for a month without so much as a smell ya later, then popping back in teasing about why you were gone.
For the second set, I expect nothing more than common courtesy when they do chime in on social media, and that's about it.
This is the thing, every celeb when they jump on social media can set their own terms. But once they open that gauntlet and decide it's going to be intimate and friend-like, then with that comes certain expectations. Don't like it, then start setting boundaries.
Quiltart, I was speaking about the posts Sue Buddy posted in the past that were being discussed Those posts were all based on comments Kate made and behavior we saw. Yes, I did comment about the Red Cross blanket fiasco, but it was my own opinion, not that of Sue Buddy's, although she may have believed the same way. I guess I didn't express it correctly
However, what speaks volumes to me about this blog and something specifically you said QuiltArt was that you don't care if she spanked her kids 10 years ago. The huge thing you are skipping right over is that she didn't just spank her kids. She took young toddlers and yanked them by the hair on their head and threw them into their beds. She spanked them so hard she was afraid she would physically hurt them. That is not simply spanking == that is child abuse and is a crime. I don't care about all Kate's behaviors through the years but I absolutely care about child abuse. If you've never seen it up close it is horrific. Working in a hospital you see this far more than you would think possible. I understand being totally overwhelmed with so many very young children and I had pity for her many times but when I heard of the abuse I could not stand her from that day forward. There is no excuse or no time frame that can make that right. I've never been an 'advocate' in the way 15 claims they are. All this crap posted on all the pro and con blogs doesn't carry enough weight to warrant anything like that.
Yes Sage, what I saw was Kate trying to show how hot and sexy she was. You saw something else. I did not call up Red Cross and try to trash her.
I went back and looked at the Red Cross pic as I couldn't recall it well, and am shaking my head yet again at so much ado about nothing. If that picture was supposed to be "coquettish" then Kate needs to work on her coquette skills. f
In Kate's journals she was horrified by her own behavior towards the kids and was aware enough to correct her behavior and I if I remember right called Jon to come home. She was young and overwhelmed. I remember my niece years ago who had twins saying they both were crying and she couldn't get them to stop and she went out into the backyard and cried tears of frustration. She stated she told herself that she is a college graduate and a CPA and wondered what was wrong with her that she couldn't for that moment handle herself and had to walk away to collect herself. I couldn't imagine what it would be like with 6 of them.
As far as the way Kate dressed...she just had a husband leave to be with a younger woman. I believe Kate needed to show herself that she was still attractive. Happens to many women in the same situation. No way did she ever look like a hooker.
Sage, I agree, Kate did show remorse -- after the fact of terrifying her kids. Yes, she did call for Jon to come home. And I believe I said earlier that I can understand her being completely overwhelmed. What you said about your niece is very true. I have a cousin who had triplets, a pretty rare thing and I saw the difficulties and sometimes the inability to cope. But my cousin, and it sounds like what your niece did, was remove herself from the situation quickly. There is no perfect answer. I've always felt that if she hadn't alienated her entire family she might have had someone she could count on in those times of extreme stress. But I agree that there is no proof that the estrangement was all Kate's fault. But there is no good reason for losing it and abusing a 2 year old. That is definitely not the answer. I've heard many, many stories from parents bringing their injured child in. That's why I am so focused on this issue. It's just so tragic in a lot of cases.
The reason I dislike Kate so much is not jealousy over her house, her pool, her 3 cars and all the other extras that she has. More power to her for all of that. Nor do I for even a second believe she manipulated her pregnancy and all the Dr's and nurses and everyone else necessary to have high order multiples in order to get a reality TV show. That's just beyond reason to me. But what I have always wanted to see is that she be brought to accountability for what she did to her young babies. That and that alone is my reason for disliking her so much.
What sort of accountability should she have? We really don't know other than what Kate has written what was done. I have often wondered if what she writes in her journal isn't more than what it was. Maybe her guilt of what she did do made it worse, in her mind, than what it was.
I have to think that Jon lived there at the time and there were other people around who would have saw any physical sign of abuse yet nothing was ever heard about.
It seems clear to me that the "accountability" that Kate's "haters" want for her is that she not have the show or any of the other opportunities that she was given over the years or may get in the future.
There are a couple of "haters" who constantly post passages from that book, obviously they are trying to get someone, anyone, to notice that Kate wrote about spanking her kids when they were little, but they seem to completely miss the parts of the journal where Kate says she feels overwhelmed, remorseful, scared about what she might do...these are not the words of someone who is an abuser, and people who are not invested in hating Kate so much can see that she's not writing about being proud or happy about her behavior. The passages that the haters post in the hopes that they will condemn her are the very passages that redeem her - they show Kate as flawed but wanting to have help and not wanting to hurt her children. But the haters just can't get that through their heads. They want to see the worst and can't seem to understand why people see the whole picture and not just the part where Kate is "mean."
The passages that the haters post in the hopes that they will condemn her are the very passages that redeem her
Very well said, Micha.
Micha, I am not one of those people who wished on Kate no opportunity to support her children. As for her chasing fame and fortune, if that's what she wants, why can't she have it. I'd rather see her have it than say, Honey Boo Boo. But I don't hate Kate. As I said, my viewpoint is colored by my experience with child abusers. Maybe Kate does regret very much what happened. And for sure, never having walked in her shoes, I shouldn't be judging her so harshly. Except that I see the faces of abuse and abusers more than I would ever wish, and it has, I am sure, tainted my view of others.
In any case, although we disagree, I owe an apology to coming here and engaging. You have your opinions and every right to them. But I don't like being called a hater. I am nothing like those freaks on her Twitter. As I said, I look at all this through a different lens. As for accountability, I was hoping she would have to have some court ordered counseling, or community service, something that would have taught her better coping skills, not something to take away her earning a living for her children.
"As for accountability, I was hoping she would have to have some court ordered counseling, or community service, something that would have taught her better coping skills"
Kate was never arrested or charged with child abuse so there would be no court ordered counseling or community service. We don't know if Kate sought for herself better coping skills.
Obviously Sage she was never arrested or charged and my point was that she should have been.
What do you mean she should have been? Did you live in her house? Did you SEE HER DO ANYTHING? Apparently, the many, many, many online people who took it upon themselves to call CPS on her didn't see anything either? What gives you the authority to diagnose and condemn her? Because over 10 years ago she wrote a private journal that was stolen from her? I'm sorry, but that is what classifies you and the rest of the haters as going over the line. None of us knows what went on in their household, but if you think Kate should have been arrested, then Jon should have been arrested with her, because he spanked the children, too.
For what? For thoughts she wrote in a private journal?
Like I wrote before...could they have been exaggerated in her mind? If it was bad or worse than she wrote should Jon been arrested too? How about the care givers? The kids pediatrician? And all others who came into contact with her and the kids at that time.
Kevin and Jodie gave interviews with tabloids at a time and never once mentioned anything about physical abuse.
Beth spent a lot of time with Kate when writing the book. Again, no mention from her about physical abuse.
Kate has physical and legal custody of the kids which Jon signed over the legal. If the kids were being abused why would he do that?
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Sheepless In Seattle (#151), I also hope the kids had a bit of a break from being hit when the crew was around. In fact, I think a few of the kids may have wanted the show to go on specifically because other people were in the house, and Mom would have to behave better.
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Wasn't there a story going around that one or more of the crew members asked to be removed from the job because of things they saw that the didn't like, and that at least on one occasion she took one of the kids into the bathroom and someone heard her inflicting physical punishment on him/her? Were the kids ever really safe from her, even with the crew around?
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I just found this at 15. This is how all these stories get started. It is really rooted at GwoP and added to through=out the years until it becomes their truth.
Yes, I know about Kate's journals.
FWIW, The in episode where they revisited Ronald McDonald House, Jon took Mady into a different room and spanked her... You could hear her screaming through the door. I have never ONCE seen a hater refer to that episode, and if they ever refer to anything that even resembles it, as the one Sage just talked about, they blame it on Kate.
You all once again showed just how deep your heads are buried in the sand. All of your denials about Kate not being perfect are seeing the light of day. You are convinced she is such a good hearted person underneath it all that's you don't even consider that it is all true. The attack by you QA is proof of who you are, although I've known that for a very long time. How could it possibly matter if it was private or not, she ADMITTED what she did in HER journal. And she did NOT just spank them, she beat them. So no, I've not been in her house and neither have you. But her words speak for her.
No wonder you are called hypocrites.
Hypocrites because even though you admit they were her journals and she abused her children, it's all ok because it was 10 years ago, she was stressed, we just don't understand and we're haters. Got it.
Maybe it is your head that is buried in the sand. What Kate says in her journals is what she felt. Again, no one around her at that time has come forward....not Jon, Jodie, Kevin, Beth, Steve or any of the many church people and volunteers or film crew has come forward or called the police.
And maybe they never came forward because they are better people than her. My head is definitely not buried. I just happen to believe what she said. You choose to forgive her for child abuse. That speaks volumes. Bye for now. Keep living in fantasy land.
To the various anonymous posting here....please pick a name. I don't care what just stick with it then.
Thank you...
sage
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And maybe they never came forward because they are better people than her.
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What? So according to you people who see abuse but don't come forward to report it are "better" than the alleged abusers? Head buried in sand indeed. How is someone who knows a kid is being abused but doesn't come forward better than anyone in any way?
It seems more likely that even the people who wanted to see Kate fail and were in her life couldn't bring themselves to go so far as accuse Kate of abuse, because there was nothing done to the kids that they would consider to be abuse.
'And maybe they never came forward because they are better people than her.'
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That doesn't even make sense.
You are so mixed up its not even funny. You admit it was Kate's journal, but make every excuse you can come up with to excuse her for child abuse. You accuse the non fans of calling and reporting about Kate but then accuse us of NOT calling. Live on in your delusional world that Kate never did any of the things we saw her do, that she is the perfect mother. Yeah, yeah I know you never said she was perfect. Yet you defend her against abuse of 2 years old. The fact that she was stressed excuses everything in your minds.
Catherine said...
You are so mixed up its not even funny. You admit it was Kate's journal, but make every excuse you can come up with to excuse her for child abuse. You accuse the non fans of calling and reporting about Kate but then accuse us of NOT calling.
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Catherine, it seems you are the one who is a wee bit mixed up. Nobody accused YOU and other non-fans of not calling CPS. It's not about YOU. You shouldn't have been calling because you don't know jack shit about what went on in that house. Why is that so complicated? However, those in direct contact, if they were to have witnessed abuse, absolutely should have reported it. It does not make them "better people" to not do so. That is some f'up thinking. And people like her pediatrician, the nurses who were in the home, etc. are MANDATED REPORTERS so they have both a personal and professional obligation to report.
Catherine, I never implied or said that the non fans should call CPS.
Nameless explained it very well...it is not about YOU!
It looks like Catherine don't comprehend so good.
But then again...it seems like typical "non fan" behavior, jumping to the wrong conclusions and skipping the parts of a comment that don't fit their agenda. The thing is, the entire comment is still there, even if YOU choose to skip parts of it and then call someone else "mixed up."
Wanna try again, Catherine?
In the recent shows none of the kids seem afraid of Kate and say pretty much what they want to.
It's amazing that the haters don't believe anything that comes out of Kate's mouth, but believe every word written in her journal. Twisted logic, perhaps?
QA, yes ma'am. I do believe what was written in HER journal as you say.
All of you love to jump on anyone that doesn't see Kate as perfect She is not perfect. She is an acknowledged child abuser. Like it or not, she is an abuser. You don't have to believe it if you don't want to, but she admitted it.
And dear Micha, of the smart mouth and yes, I comprehend much better than any of you.
Like it or not, she has damaged 8 children and that is just fine with you because 'they are her children and she has the right to raise them as she sees fit'. That would be right if she had not been abusing her 2 year olds.
Catherine,
I suggest you leave here. I do not mind disagreement but you are making personal insults. Leave.
I'm more than happy to leave. And if you will read back over the comments from QA and Micha and a few others you will see that they were both very insulting as well. So, once again, proof that the rules apply to anyone other than your few originals. Please stop telling people that you don't silence anyone and that all are welcome. BS. Just remember, your group here were the ones who were insulting me.
Go on with your love for the perfect Kate Gosselin.
Catherine,
You are new here. Some of the people here have been with me on this blog since 2010. We know each other through the blog.
When you are new on a blog it is expected to abide by the rules. No one was rude to you. We have different opinions.
Are you from Texas? You write with a Texas accent. ;)
Blogger Quiltart said...
It's amazing that the haters don't believe anything that comes out of Kate's mouth, but believe every word written in her journal. Twisted logic, perhaps?
Come on now, let's be honest and take this one step beyond. To begin with, the "haters" are always those who don't like Kate. Those who don't like Jon are never haters, are they? How weird is that? LOL The Kate haters don't believe anything that comes out of her mouth, but face the facts-the Jon haters don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth. That's so funny to me. There are two sides to every story, but not to the haters on both sides.
I don't believe that Kate beat her children so that anyone could see bruises. The abuse she memorialized in her copyrighted journals wasn't the kind to leave marks. Grabbing a child by his hair, and hits on the diapered behind with a wooden spoon she carried in the side pocket of her van (who does that??) and stiff cardboard rollers aren't going to leave bruises. I also don't believe she continued to hit them past the toddler stage. I do believe she has a fierce temper and is an over-the-top control freak who loses it on a frequent basis. She's admitted as much in her very public quest over the past few years to convince people she's a changed person by continually pointing out how laid back she is now. You don't go to such great efforts if there's nothing to change.
I think she's more an emotional abuser now, as in if the kids don't want to go deep sea fishing and be filmed they can stay behind...and do chores. (On video-not a supposition.) That sucks. I think that's her way, her controlling way. And she's more than willing to say she gave them a choice. Not nice. I think she's smart enough to know her audience and what she can get away with. I also don't think she is in possession of maternal instincts or the instincts many of us have to unconditionally love and dote on our pets. I think she's basically a shallow, self-serving person and is only about Kate, and reality TV brought out the worst in her.
As far as her journal goes, she copyrighted it AFTER RH published his book. By doing that she confirmed what was published in his book. (WTF, right??) She unsuccessfully sued RH and Jon under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, NOT libel. That says a lot. I mean, who could sue for libel AFTER they copyrighted what they said? Or did she copyright a journal of lies? (See, Kate is a virtual fountain of parody material) If RH's book was lies she could have hired an attorney to take a libel case, no problem. But as it turned out she settled for Bville's attorney, Randazza, who eventually dropped the case altogether as well as dropping Bville's disastrous lawsuits. (Note: Randazza is a big SLAPP lawsuit advocate. He saw the writing on the wall with Bville eventually) With regard to RH obtaining backup discs of all that was on her computer and then publishing it---was it kosher, as in aboveboard, proper, orthodox, there are arguments on both sides. We don't practice censorship in this country. That's why we have these wonderful blogs after all, isn't it?
Can I just express how flippin' happy it makes me that that awful, ferocious, filled-with-bitterness poster Ramona Blue is GONE?! LMAO She was in LOVE with Jon. Seems to me she had an absentee/abusive father and latched onto the hapless Jon Gosselin as a surrogate. She had puppy dog eyes for him (and, I believe, admitted to being in her 80s herself! #gross #weird).
Whatever the case, it's so nice that she's finally disappeared into the ether, probably posting her nasty negativity at her soap opera blogs.
Good bye, good riddance Ramona!!!
No, Catherine, it doesn't look like you do. If you did comprehend you wouldn't have made your comment to begin with, because you would have known that nobody was talking about fans reporting Kate for child abuse. Your whole first comment is based on something that didn't happen here. It's still all there so you have the option of rereading it and admitting your mistake. But why do that when you can come here, make a comment that is completely untrue and then whine that people here are being rude to YOU when they call you out on how wrong you are.
Again, it's all there for you to read whenever you want, and you still have the option of admitting you were wrong in your initial comment because no one here said anything about fans reporting Kate for anything, which would be utterly ridiculous.
Sue Buddy, you are right that everyone who dislikes Kate and posts their opinions on her is not a "hater." Haters are the ones who post incessantly (e.g.. several times a week) regarding trivial issues (her clothes, her hair, her picnic table, etc), who contact sponsors threatening boycotts because they don't like something she has said or done (e.g. threatening to withdraw contributions to the Red Cross because Kate posted a picture of herself on her own blog), who interfere with any and all job prospects Kate may have even if the children are not involved, and who attack anyone who responds positively to Kate in social media. Only those engaged in any of those activities that go far beyond expressing ones opinion should consider themselves haters.
And, I agree that anyone who does the same with Jon is a hater. The problem is I don't see posters bashing Jon regarding trivial things (his clothes, hair, furniture, etc) several times a week on this blog or elsewhere. Nor have I seen, though it may occur, people contacting potential employers to keep Jon from getting work. I also haven't seen people attacking anyone who tweets Jon with something positive to say. But if that is all occurring, haters is absolutely the correct word for them as well.
Hey Catherine, I'd suggest taking a deep breath and re-reading this thread, as you are the one who started hurling insults and can't handle an opinion that differs from your own. And FYI, there are lots of points on the continuum between "perfect" and "child abuser." You have a very black and white view, which is typical of the anti-Kate contingent. For the rest of us, the choice isn't between "Saint" and "spawn of Satan." As people here have said repeatedly, Kate has engaged in cringe-worthy behavior. With your superior comprehension skills, it's hard to understand how you missed that.
Sue_Buddy,
While I personally think the journals are likely her words, it is misleading to say that they must be true based on the fact that Kate didn't sue for libel. One of the allegations in the lawsuit was that the book "contained defamatory and untrue information about Kate Gosselin, along with information that painted Kate in a false and negative light."
Was your post an example of one of your "satirical" writings?
Nameless in LA said...One of the allegations in the lawsuit was that the book "contained defamatory and untrue information about Kate Gosselin, along with information that painted Kate in a false and negative light."
One allegation out of 100 allegations. That lawsuit was not about libel. And you say my comment was misleading? LOL
And no, my earlier comments were not satire.
Fascinated, perhaps you weren't around when Jon had his first Twitter account? He closed it eventually (wise move) because it was loaded with hateful comments. Without mentioning any names one prominent and vitriolic fan was relentless posting hate on to his Twitter account but she was not the only one by any means. I also recall him saying that haters were calling his place of employment, a job he had recently obtained in the IT field. I think that was totally out of line-when BOTH sides participated in such reprehensible behavior.
I agree that no one should call an employer of either one.
I do remember Em Tanner altho not an employer posted badly about Kate and Jon jumped right in and added to it.
Who knows if he didn't encourage the employer calling behind the scenes. I believe he was at one time friendly with some of the people who hate tweet Kate.
Jon also was contacting Becks. That is how she made a fool of herself with the 50/50 child custody. LOL Really played her for the fool just like he did the tweeters.
Sue_Buddy said...
One allegation out of 100 allegations. That lawsuit was not about libel. And you say my comment was misleading? LOL
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There was absolutely nothing misleading about what I said. What difference does it make if it was one of many allegations? The fact remains that there was an allegation of defamatory and untrue content contained in Robert's book. So according to your logic, the journals are 100% true because Kate didn't sue for libel, but did allege that Robert's book defamed her and contained false information. Alrighty then. That makes perfect sense!
I can't remember the details, but I thought Jon closed his Twitter account because someone called him on his whining about paying child support... when it was already public knowledge that he wasn't paying anything. Can someone refresh my memory on that one?
I agree that Kate is probably a strict disciplinarian and the kids know to jump when she says to do something. I don't have a problem with her running a tight ship. With that many kids, she would almost have to.. That does not make her a child abuser and does not mean she should be arrested or watch under a court order as was alluded to yesterday.
I will offer an apology and then leave for good. I already offered one apology on Saturday and no one chose to pay attention to that. I was wrong to come on a fan site and degrade Kate. I also notice Sage is ready to have an outing by asking if I'm from TX. Of course you can see where we are all from. And yeah, I'm from TX, and happy to be so. FYI, whether you choose to believe it or not, I have never outed anyone from all these years of blogging. Things do get heated when folks disagree. I was wrong to challenge that on your blog.
Apology accepted. I have no problem with you posting here...just realize we have a different view than you do and will say it.
I think some of you may be used to posting on a blog where only one view is allowed. That is not what we are.
Never fear Catherine, there is no outing here....never here.
I don't give a pass to child abusers, but if Kate was an abuser it looks like all of the people around her gave her a pass. I saw one picture that looked like Kate was giving one of the little girls a swat after the child would not stop blowing a whistle when Kate was on the phone. The child was deliberately disobeying? I cringed at the picture. The picture was out there. I'm guessing that the person taking the picture gave her a pass, or maybe they called DFS. Either way, Jon still gave Kate custody. And she still has custody.
Nameless, since the case was dismissed we have no idea what the allegation of defamatory and untrue information about Kate Gosselin pertained too. But I remain constant in what I said. That was one claim amid 100. That was not a lawsuit about libel. She did not attempt to sue Jon and RH for libel. And it's all a moot point since Kate agreed to dismiss the whole thing anyway. She obviously didn't feel very strongly after Jon's attorney's motions to dismiss.
This is what keeps these kinds of blogs alive and Twitter feeds alive, back and forth arguments and rehashing meaningless minutia that goes on for years. Therefore, I'm done with this topic of one claim among 100.
Sue_Buddy, Kate did not have Randazza as her attornery. It was two attorney's from PA.
I'm glad to see you are done with this topic. But I had to correct you on this.
Okay, so now it's clear that the poster previously commenting as "Anonymous" picked a name, as Sage requested, and became Catherine.
Before "Anonymous" became Catherine she wrote this in response to Sage's comment that no one around Kate at the time the journals were written came forward regarding alleged abuse: "And maybe they never came forward because they are better people than her."
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Sage and I both wrote comments and questioned that statement, at which time "Catherine" commented about people here being "mixed up" followed by this doozy: "You accuse the non fans of calling and reporting about Kate but then accuse us of NOT calling," which never happened here - nobody said that.
Was this comment and what followed by Catherine made just to get out of explaining just how someone who allegedly sees "abuse" and doesn't come forward is better than the alleged abuser? Could it be?
Oh, well, an apology was made (although for what is unclear) and Sage has graciously accepted and we're moving on - but I think it's important to note that the "water has not been muddied." It's still clear what was said, what was never said, and what question remains unanswered.
Sage, Kate's original complaint was signed by both A. Jordan Rushie and Marc J. Randazza, Attorneys for Kate Gosselin, signed and dated August 26, 2013. He also was listed on her amended complaint, dated October 2, 2013.
Here's the PDF of the original complaint with both their signatures at the bottom:
http://media.nbcphiladelphia.com/documents/Gosselin+Lawsuit.pdf
By the time the motion to dismiss was granted, after two requests for dismissal by Jon's attorney, Randazza was gone. By then Kate only had Rushie representing her.
I think it was mostly dismissed because of a time lapse between the theft and when she decided to pursue it.
I think Randazza was just a name and had no direct involvement and it was Rushie and his partner who did the work on the case.
I really don't remember that much about it....just wasn't all that important to me I guess.
Sage said...
I think it was mostly dismissed because of a time lapse between the theft and when she decided to pursue it.
I think Randazza was just a name and had no direct involvement and it was Rushie and his partner who did the work on the case.
I really don't remember that much about it....just wasn't all that important to me I guess.
You make it difficult to leave a topic. LOL
When you say a "time lapse" what does that mean? Many lawsuits have a "time lapse" between the incident and a lawsuit. Are you saying there was a statute of limitations involving the violations of the Computer Fraud Act--or the "theft?" Which do you mean? If it involved theft, was the theft reported? That's a factor when figuring the statue of limitations. After all if something is stolen and you don't notice or report it, how can you legitimately sue for damages when you were oblivivious to the theft until years later? What damages were suffererd in the interim? Also, when things are taken from your trash heap at the curb, reporting a theft is highly difficult to prove. Hint: Putting incriminating information on the curb for trash pickup is dumb. Just ask the police, FBI and CIA and the paparazzi. They're all trash pickers. LOL
The statue of limitations for violations of the Computer Fraud Act is two years from the "discovery of the act." If Kate discovered the "act" when RH's book was published in 2012 and her lawsuit happened in 2013 there was no question of a statute of limitations violation.
And regarding Randazza just being "a name," what does that even mean--a random name drawn out of a hat?--=whose hat? LOL Who supplied Kate with Randazza's name? Hmmmm...... (Could it have been someone prone to conspiracy and high drama...who used a crap=trash, brain frying gossip mag as a receptacle for his impotent ravings? Excuse the detour). Why would any random name be included in the lawsuit? And choosing to just add "a name" of an Anti SLAPP advocate to Kate's baseless lawsuit is almost too ironic-Ripley's Believe It Or Not stupid I can't help but wonder when Randazza said, "Oops...I'm in the wrong lawsuit.
I'm flummoxed by these speculations and what they're based on.
Just and FYI:
Date of first complaint, August 26, 2013
Date of dismissal Nov 27, 2013.
Justice doesn't always move slowly.
Sue_Buddy,
I guess you can just stay flummoxed.
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There are many examples in the showbiz community of actors bringing their show to an end while they're on top- Seinfeld for one prime example.
Celebrities with actual talent and prospects know when they should step away and let their work end on a high note, and not be associated with a decline in quality and viewers.
Their shows are like beloved celebs, gone too soon, always cherished, always youthful and never suffering from old age.
It's embarrassing and you lose integrity when you're hanging on to a dog of a show, with no new storylines, originality or imagination.
At one time, Kate's prospects were like her compound; as far as the eye could see. Those days are gone.
She'd better hope that the kids continue to cooperate with filming until they're up and out of the compound.
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I don't think Tucker understands that Kate&8 is not a scripted show and Kate is not an actor. Making the kind of money Seinfeld was making you can afford to walk away.
RE: Jon's old twitter. In 8/12 Jon sold a story to Star and the title was "Kate wants me in jail." Then, Kate's attorney gave a statement that Kate had relieved Jon of child support since that April. Jon had some arrears that he to finish paying, but he was still acting like he was supporting his kids.
Jon then shut down his twitter. I can't remember his last tweet, I think it was something sarcastic. But, Jon did just what BL is bitching about Kate. He fostered a close relationship with twitter peeps and then just deleted his account.
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/08/kate-gosselin-jon-gosselin-child-support/
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/08/jon-gosselin-broke-rock-bottom-rent/
As far as Jon's current twitter, it is a fail. Jon's intent was to connect with his old twitter friends, but his followers are small in numbers. Twitter seems to me a dying fad..
Bl claims Jon keeps a distance from his fans, but he and Ellen used to chat up the haters. Ellen was even posting on the hate blogs. I specifically remember Jon referring to his followers as friends in a tweet to Schmeckygirl.
This was one of Jon's first tweets when he started his current twitter.
Jon Gosselin @jgosselin10 12 Oct 2015
@lifeliner trying to reconnect with all my Twitter friends
OMG, Bl just had to degrade. She is such an expert on the workings of a television network. She claims TLC treats her as yesterdays leftovers.
LOL, Bl hates to see anyone grovel, guess she's got those blinders on when it comes to Jon. Jon has wanted to be on DWTS, CA, and even did an interview trying to goad Kate into doing a CT.
They say Kate used to be the darling of TLC, but that's not true. It was just a little cable show until the divorce.
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.I know some here claim she's filler but how long are we going to say that?
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Probably as long as she remains filler. It could be years!
She's not top billing anymore, she doesn't bring in ratings anywhere close to their top shows. When something else better comes along she gets bumped. She doesn't get good time slots anymore, they barely promote her, and they don't run her reruns like crazy day after day like they do their favorite shows. No one at the network is telling her what's going on in terms of programming decisions or her future, she as much as admitted that many times, and there have been incredibly long stretches between filming and actual air dates, all evidence she's just their filler.
The only sad thing about it is how embarrassing it is for them to be groveling along like this waiting for a bone. She sits there and tweets like all is well while being treated like yesterday's leftovers, brought out only when you're hungry or your husband ate all the good stuff. I hate watching someone grovel.
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Dang, Sage, I was going to suggest that your response be written in APA format, minimum of 5 scholarly citations to support your argument, 10 pages max.
LOL Nameless,
I guess I am just not that anal.
It amazes me that as an attorney, BL is not embarrassed to write stuff like this. Bl shouldn't be practicing law if she doesn't know how divorcing/divorced couples come to an agreement and a motion is made to the court. This forced stupidity is not a good look for a competent lawyer.
Bl just can't admit that Kate took supporting the kids upon herself and saved Jon's butt from some jail time.
Yes, the court found it in the best interest of the children for Kate to be the sole supporter and that Jon should not have legal custody.
Bl's talking about the statement Kate's attorney gave when Jon was selling stories that Kate wanted him in jail.
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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 69
I'm not sure what the attorney is trying to say since again child support is not for Kate to relieve. Sounds like spin to me. Perhaps she didn't object to a different financial arrangement that did not include direct checks to her. But the judge still has to find that 0 support is in the children's best interest regardless of how kate feels about it.
April 19, 2016 at 1:27 PM
Merryway,
Becks just cannot face the fact that Jon is a loser.
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Parents don't have to account for child support payments and how they are spent. Many parents prefer instead to pay expenses directly. School tuition, insurance, activity fees, clothing, and all the other many expenses children have, not to mention all their basic needs being met while on your custodial time like appropriate housing, food, activities, etc. All of this can be worked out by court order. Maybe the court order should specify mother shall not imply father does not support his children by means other than direct checks to her she just spends at the spa.
Oh that BL. Kate's attorney would have never made a statement if Jon had not been selling interviews that he was headed to jail for non-support. Maybe the court order should have specified that father should not publicly blame the mother of his children months after she relieved him of that duty.
It's the same as when Jon recently appeared on Steve Harvey implying it was Kate's fault he wasn't seeing all of the kids. Deanna would have never opened her twittermouth if Jon hadn't of attacked Kate.
BL wants to deflect by saying Jon pays directly for some things when Jon was crying that he couldn't make rent. Of course, Bl also denied that time Jon couldn't pay his electric bill.
From the Star interview in 8/2012
“I can’t afford to pay my rent and the domestic-relations staff tell me they will put me in jail unless I pay child support,” Jon, 35, told Star in an exclusive interview. “I am a single father who’s trying to make ends meet during a recession. What do I do — pay child support or rent? I need to support my kids, but I could lose my house, and I need my home to continue to have custody.
“I decided to take the high road and quit reality television and now look, I’m going to end up in jail because I can’t afford to pay child support to Kate who has plenty of money, ” the former TLC star complained.
“I’m doing the best I can, but life is so expensive with eight kids!”
Hasn't Jon said more than once that he doesn't pay child support? BL just can't let it go, can she?
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You know that attorney may have honestly not thought about the multiple scenrios that could have caused Jon to make that comment, like arrears. Attorneys, believe it or not, sometimes make honest mistakes.
I still think though her characerization of the situation to imply Kate was a martyr and had "given up" something was unfair and inappropriate. It doesn't matter how much Kate wants to give something up, this was about her children and what is best for them financially and otherwise, something her attorney never seems to emphasize. It's all about Kate.
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Yes he has Quiltart. After that last comment Becks made I am beginning to think she and the bleeple are just really slow.
Their claims of their superior intelligence are vastly overrated.
Becks is on a roll tonight. The Gosselin children have a father who does not financially support them and has little stability, shifting from job to job, house to house, and girlfriend to girlfriend, but in the BL's skewed version of reality, the children are seeing their father achieve incredible success working an every-man job that supports them. Earth to BL: DJ gigs at local bars on no cover night do not support 8 children. Jon gets to have this fun little job precisely because he is not supporting his children. Wake up!
Let's see...she whined about her own parents' cheap furniture and inability to pay for her college. I'm guessing that ol' Becks wouldn't have been that impressed if Jon were her father.
Of course she'll never admit that Jon is a loser. If she were to do that, she would have to admit that she was manipulated by a loser into spreading lies as his mouthpiece. What would that make her?
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I'm really glad the children are getting the opportunity to watch a parent work an honest, decent every-man job, pounding the pavement from the ground up the old fashioned way and seeing payoff in great successes. They are also seeing that work can be great fun and that there is nothing to fear about hard work and putting yourself out there because the payoff is what a great time you have doing it and, if all goes well, your success. And most importantly they are watching their parent work to support them and not the other way around. Thankfully, they just get to enjoy the fun part of it, playing around with dad's setup, attending a show or two, suggesting songs for the playlist. If they don't want to they don't have to, and nothing about this job is continent upon their participation. That must be such a relief.
Since when did being a DJ become an every-man job? In most cases, it's a case of a man who doesn't want to grow up and have a regular paying job... Not a couple of week a night gig. Jon is almost 40 years old. It's time for him to actually BE a grown up!
shb couple of nights a week...
Tucker's Mom needs to learn that throwing her word of the day into her posts does not make her comments any less stupid. She really does not understand that she knows virtually nothing about what goes on in the Gosselin home. I could name a million other typical topics of conversation that have never come up on an EPISODE of K+8. Key word being "episode," of course, since Tucker's Mom doesn't seem to understand that she is watching an edited television show and not a 24/7 live feed of the Gosselin home.
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Aside from the twins' disastrous appearance on the Today
Show, when have we seen any extemporaneous mention of Jon by his children?
Seriously? He never comes up in conversation?
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Tucker's Mom, was the information about the children not being permitted to speak to those at school about the show or life at home in Robert's book? I'm wondering where it originated.
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I would guess in Tuckers mind.
How did BL pass the bar? She can't be for real with this. She's claiming she's seen hundred of cases where a parent pays child support directly to an ex without the courts or child support agency. First, if the courts weren't involved, why would bl know of them? And second!!! Does she realize how stupid that is? A parent has no protection of support without a court order. You are talking about a sustained amount of trust between two divorced people until their child reaches the age of 18. All it takes a little change of the mind for the receiver to be screwed.
If ex meets a younger thing who wants his/her money, the receiver has no way of collecting. You have no recourse if ex runs off, has another child, decides he/she doesn't like you for a couple of months/years, decides to pay you less, or any of the other situations that can occur between divorced couples.
To enforce payments, you need an order. Also, it's possible to get burned for back support if you've paid without an order.
BL is nothing but BS.
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...Parents can work out things among them without the courts IF they aren't beholden to a court ordered child support order. Jon and Kate went through the courts, though. There are records and minute orders of the fact that he has had official child support orders in place.
It's unlikely Jon sent checks directly to Kate. He probably sent them to the state or county child support board which in turn cut Kate checks. Or he could have had wages garnished directly from paychecks he received from various gigs. So, in order to stop that support, it would have to be approved by either a judge or in some jurisdictions the child support division. In my experience these kinds of things will continue to bill you even if you have custody of the kids! It can be a nightmare to go through the hassle of explaining the change in circumstances to the court and getting the payments righted.
Ironically enough, I'm guessing they COULD have worked out a lot of this without the courts or child support division, if there wasn't an obsessed parental alienator involved. I've seen hundreds of cases where the non-custodial parent sends checks to the other parent, as well as pays for expenses and provides physical support like diapers and formula, all without the courts...
LOL, Merryway. She is an IDIOT and full of crap. She hasn't seen hundreds of cases where child support was worked out informally. As you pointed out, why would lawyers be involved in the parents weren't going through the courts?!? (Not to mention that she has blathered about what she does and she defends parents accused of child abuse. She's not handling child support cases.) I certainly hope she has never advised a client to work out child support informally without involving the court system. Stupidest advice ever.
Yeah, Bl just can't let go of the child support thing. She is spinning hard as she can.
Sorry for all the Law 101 posts. I seriously believe that BL is seeing how much bs they will swallow and how much arrogance they will tolerate. Bl's still acting as if Kate had nothing to do with the child support decision. I guess a little fairy made the motion.
For some reason, BL brought up when Kate gave Jon the old BBB. Apparently, Bl needs a fundamental lesson in marital assets and how they are divided in a divorce. I guess BL thinks the court assigned a value of zero to the BBB and flipped a coin to see whether Jon or Kate kept in their driveway.
Again, forced stupidity is not a good look for someone who claims to practice law.
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A judge's court order regarding child support can be modified. Who's to say if both parents agree, the judge could modify the order so Jon is relieved of future payments as long as he pays off what was in arrears
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I think that's exactly what I am saying. Kate can disagree or agree all she wants, the judge still has to make that best interest finding in order to approve a modification. For Kate to make herself out as the martry in all this is just wrong and misleading. She is not the judge and doesn't have the ability to pardon. Certainly she can choose not to contest, but maybe she did so because her lawyer advised her she would lose anyway. Clever and manipulative spin. This is her MO. She also implied she gave Jon the old van. Except that van belonged to both of them. It wasn't hers to give. Even if it were, the alternative would be ditch it for a few grand. Big whoop.
April 21, 2016 at 7:46 AM
Dang it, sorry I also meant to include this comment of BL's bs.
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The van could have been in Kate's name, but that's dirty pool to imply is was "hers", and in no part Jon's.
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It probably was in her name since she had posession of it. But wasn't this the freebie van from their church they begged for?
You can't re-gift a gift to the other person that was given to BOTH of you and that you never contributed one red cent to in the first place.
April 21, 2016 at 8:47 AM
Uh, of course you can re-gift a gift to the other person if said gift was deemed your property in a divorce proceeding. It's really not complicated to understand. Is their a Law for Dummies book out there? If so, the BL really needs to study it.
Note to BL... These gigs are not in the big city... They are not the big time.
Try as you might, he is not making a lot of money being a DJ.
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His gigs in just the past month or so:
Building 24
Finish Line Pub
The Dusk Complex
Yorgos
Hardly my imagination. It's all on his instagram. Not to mention the charity event. Not sure why it's so hard to accept Jon has made a career out of this without his kids, and is, based on the quality of these venues, likely banking good money too. I would think folks would be happy for him.
Now, now, Quiltart, he had a gig at the TGIF's in the Park City Mall. That certainly counts as a "major, trendy club" forking over the big bucks. And according to the BL, that prom gig he has coming up will pay him THOUSANDS.
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My hunch with this DJ career is based on the quality of the gigs he is getting.
No, you probably won't make much if all you do are two-bit weddings on the weekends. DJ's doing that are a dime a dozen and most work other jobs. This is not that. This s not that kind of DJ. These are major, trendy clubs that are doing huge promotions for him. His work is steady and consistent. He appears to be building a brand name for himself in the DJ world and getting recognition for it. I would guess six-figures too, which is great for him, as he has a lot of kids to raise and would prefer not to exploit them doing so.
ROTFLOL... My son DJ'd in NYC when he was in grad school... at trendy clubs... He didn't make hardly anything, but had a great time doing it.
She truly is delusional.
Well at least it is good to know she gets off on Jon now and not watching third world circumscribed teenager girls giving birth.
She needs a therapist.
At least some aren't drinking her Kool-Aid. Wonder how long until Reality Check is history.
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His gigs in just the past month or so:
Building 24
Finish Line Pub
The Dusk Complex
Yorgos
Hardly my imagination. It's all on his instagram. Not to mention the charity event. Not sure why it's so hard to accept Jon has made a career out of this without his kids, and is, based on the quality of these venues, likely banking good money too. I would think folks would be happy for him.
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Those are "major, trendy clubs?!?" Upcoming gigs include a prom and an 80's birthday party.
I can't be happy for someone based on your fantasy. If he's enjoying himself, great. But the idea that he is raking in the dough from no cover night at the local tavern is laughably far-fetched. Sorry about that.
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vanessa eileen ford @vanessa_ford 2m2 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 do u have a cookbook out?
It's on pre-order, and then it will be "out" at the Dollar Store.
As far as Jon's gigs go, he's doing very well. It's not admin's fantasy. Trust me.
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Well now PA Dutch mom has spoken so it must be that Jon is raking in the money. Maybe Kate should contact her for witness so Jon can pay some child support. Or maybe the people that he was renting the house from and they evicted him for non payment. I believe they sued him.
Reality Check is always the voice of reason and an infrequent poster. I am surprised her post was put through.
I'm amused by the comment that Jon is making bank w/o his kids. Didn't he, in the not-too-distant past, say that he might as well exploit the fact that the kids are well-known and that he's their dad?
Sage, I think the landlords got Jon back with the tabloid story. I don't think they said they were going to sue. However, he does have a $1 million judgment against him for scamming his former employer.
Wow, Bl's lost all sense of reality if she thinks Jon can pull in that kind of money Djing at local clubs.
According to the BL, DJing is a recession-proof job. Yep, because when hard economic times hit, there's no impact whatsoever on non-essential services. And dammit, she speaks the TRUTH and we all know it. Meanwhile, back in reality, good ol' Jon actually left the IT field, which is a fairly recession-proof industry.
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I'm not surprised, it's a good career. I imagine a lot of people like it as well because it frees up a lot of their days. They can be home, be around for the kids, available if a kid is suddenly sick at school and needs to go home, time to do shopping and other errands, and make a great income on the weekends or nights.
It's also pretty recession proof. There's always going to be weddings, clubs, corporate events, proms. Someone will always need a DJ. There's no danger you will suddenly lose your career as there is when you're on a reality show. Very few reality show stars have made a stable career of it. They can be counted on one hand, and those that have almost always have many other things going for them besides the show, like the Kardashians. Kate's not an actress who when her show is cancelled can just read a new script and audition for another role. She's not a Kardashian where if the show is cancelled she's got multiple other sources of income and wouldn't' have to worry. It's much worse than that. Her ONLY "talent" is being herself, she doesn't have her hand in any other honey pots, and when no one wants that anymore there will be nothing else she can do.
DJings is really one of the most responsible and reasonable careers paths either of these parents have ever taken, finally.
The truth is I sense resentment from Kate and her fans about this. They know all of the above is true, and it chaps their hides Jon has found his niche. I find that very sad and just indicative that this is not really about being supportive of the kids and what is best for them, but it is all about supporting Kate in her never-ending hatred and resentment toward her sperm donor.
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The truth is I sense resentment from Kate and her fans about this. They know all of the above is true, and it chaps their hides Jon has found his niche.
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I'm not really sure that they do know that this is true. Are they really that smart to figure it out? Moreover, I don't think they'd give him credit for anything that he does, even if he went to law school and set up a practice or followed in his father's footsteps and became a dentist. They'd find something wrong with any career he chose. That's just the way they are.
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Blowing....oh, we are a lot smarter than you think. It's your intelligence that I question. I will give Jon credit for masturbating on a TV show. Bet that made his kids proud.
I don't see anyone chapped that Jon has been able to hold down the same job for awhile. Djing is a good fit for Jon who seems to be forever a teenager.
How long has Jon been a Dj? About a year and a half? Bl thinks he's pulling in 6 figures. That's really delusional. Open wide bleeple and swallow all that BL tells you to be true.
This is from that interview with Jon's Dj mentor. The one who was squeezed out after Jon saw greener pastures. But, unlike when Em Tanner spoke out, Bl did not up put a direct link with a post hailing him a hero. Nor, did they call him to schedule him as DJ as when they put in orders to Em Tanner.
6/24/2015
http://explore-nj.com/?p=468
I spin turn tables and he was learning on NS47’s. We agreed to be a team and work together. Working together we started getting some bigger events and then we brought in that kid who ended up by his side at Harrah’s Pool. Ironically, I trained that kid a couple months before Jon. The kid did not know how to spin on the turn tables. Jon was doing what he could to make money as he was struggling financially.
DJ KOOLIE KIRK: I guarantee you that Jon did not receive $20,000, I have a copy of his contract showing that he made $3,000 for the Harrah’s Pool job. $600 went to the booking agent and he didn’t want to pay me the $800 that we agreed upon because that would’ve only left him with $1,600 and he is financially down and out. It is sad, that he betrayed me and ended our friendship for a lousy $1,600.
Wishing all my Jewish friends....Happy Passover!
Wishing you happiness, peace, prosperity, and all the joy of Passover.
Merryway...
funny how Bl turns a blind eye to anything negative about Jon and the bleeple accept that.
There is always such shadiness surrounding Jon. Remember when he accused Hailey of stealing a Ming vase and his television when he was evicted from his New York apartment.
Thanks, Sage! We had a lovely Seder tonight .
Yo, Bleeps: You have not watched 1000 hours of video of the inside of Kate's house. You do not live there. You do not know where Shoka sleeps or when she is inside or outside. What's more, you are not medical doctors and are not capable of diagnosing Kate's mental health. For the few hours a year you see her on TV (that you claim not to watch) there is no way you KNOW her. What is needed are mental health checks for all of you because you are living in your own little fantasy land.
Agree Quiltart.
In reading some of their comments I have never seen people who watch so much TV! They seem to know every reality show ever made.
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From what i herd,when Jon gave the steve harvey interview he did gain support from it,so if true,im glad more and more people are seeing TLC for the nasty programming channel it is.I think since TLC is refusing to give up the duggars was the final nail in the coffin for most people when it comes to TLC.
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When a father of minor children says repeatedly that he doesn't want his children kept on tv, further, that filming and exposing them has deleterious effects, you have to wonder how people COULDN'T be upset
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Then the father should not have given up legal custody in exchange for not having to pay child support.
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Many of the fans seem like decent, nice people, with families. What is it that they don't get? What part of their brain isn't functioning? Why can't they understand that kids weren't brought into this world to serve for their viewing and entertaining pleasure? These fans keep begging for more, feeding Kate's ego, lusting with excitement over the prospect of more episodes. WHY?
I'm tired of banging my head..
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What is it that you don't get? All you do is parrot what Becks says....over and over.
It is really very simple for you...don't watch Kate's show.
Maybe all that head banging explains the lack of brain functioning over there...
The BL is blathering on and on about how Kate treats her fans on Twitter. It's NOT a real life relationship, you freak. Sane people understand the difference between their actual friends and the famous person who responded to them once on Twitter.
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Exactly. If this were a real life relationship it has every element of an emotionally abusive, manipulative, passive aggressive relationship.
She reminds me of the type of friend/boyfriend/girlfriend/child/parent who doesn't call or keep in touch then when something big happens to them all of a sudden they pop up expected full support and a total stop of your life to help them. Naturally, there is no mention of where the F they've been the past several months/years/decades. If you call them out on it they get defensive or ignore it. Real relationships like that are not healthy and most therapists would encourage folks to leave them or at least set boundaries.
The problem is she has really encouraged an emotional relationship with her fans resembling a real friendship. She was about to get on a ship with all of them. Had she set clearer more professional boundaries she wouldn't owe them the basic emotional courtesy that real friends should.
From the minute Kate got on Twitter, the haters and bleeps have tried to her off Twitter. Now that she's off Twitter, they want her on. They have harassed her and Milo and anyone else who tweeted support of Kate ad nauseum. I wouldn't be surprised if Milo just got sick of being attacked. As for Kate, I doubt she has much free time. She has no obligation to her fans to tweet anything.
On another note, Jon is whining to Paul Petersen again about the kids filming. The haters are having a field day at https://www.facebook.com/minorcon -- Some sane people are calling Jon out on the fact he has no say about the kids filming.
shb tried to get her OFF Twitter...
Jon never ceases to amaze when it comes to be a sleaze. If only he used his power for good.
Poor Kate, he will never ever leave her alone.
What is Paul Petersen thinking? This is very deja vu.
How would Jon know that HBB was coming back. I don't believe that too be true.
I believe Jon could get in trouble for this. He doesn't have legal custody and shouldn't be interfering in their lives. It's definitely against the spirit of J&K's agreement.
I went and read the comments on A Minor Consideration f/b page. I recognized some names from other forums from years ago.
Anyone here remember Irene Smith? She called my blog a flog. LOL Sharp as a marble that one.
I saw Irene Smith, too, Sage over there. She was a piece of work... Traveled up to PA for the hearings. She was BFFs with Polly the Hometown Snoop.
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