More emails from Hoffman posing as Angela Rosario. Below is part of the emails that were sent to me. Hoffman mentions two of the kids by name. I have blocked these out. That is the ONLY change I made to Hoffman's words. I have included the emails I sent to him in this exchange. At that time, I was asked to try to get as much information I could from him.
Sageway Express <sagewayexpress@gmail.com>
9/12/11
to Angela
In watching that rumor fix video again I see that it is someone from rumorfix asking Jon questions over the speaker phone. How cheap and tacky is that? I am sure Ellen was manning the video.
I think it is great Kate has a website, she should have been doing this all along. I am sure the haters are going to try and sabotage it.
That reminds me...is it true Jon used to hack into Kate's email and cell phone?
Angela Rosario <angela.rosario66@gmail.com>
9/12/11
to me
Whenever there's a story about Jon, look for Panda trashing him. That's Hailey. Panda was Hailey's nickname for Jon. Asian teddybear.
I'm very disappointed that Kate went straight into exposing the kids on this new Web site. Not even a brief rest from keeping them in the public eye.
Steve gets paid $800 a day base pay to be with Kate. I'd stay loyal to her as well. Is he retired from his company?
Isn't this the guy who used to train special forces and once protected President Clinton? Seems a strange career path he's chosen.
Jon said he used to do all of that but I never saw any evidence of it. Steph Santoro was the one who sold that story to the tabloids. I certainly can picture him doing it.
Angela Rosario <angela.rosario66@gmail.com>
9/12/11
You know I don't remember Ellen's. It'll come to me. It wasn't clever. Knowing how sick she is, she probably has many different names.
A big panda teddybear was one of things that got butchered in Jon's NYC apartment. It was funny.
I think Ellen is a greedy, manipulative ass, but the world is full of them. I don't like her because of the way she treats the kids.
Sageway Express <sagewayexpress@gmail.com>
9/12/11
to Angela
So, does she treat the kids bad or does she treat them how a 25 yo girlfriend of the dad would? How much did TLC offer Jon...shocked that he turned it down. He can't be making much in IT work.
Angela Rosario <angela.rosario66@gmail.com>
9/12/11
to me
She treats them badly. More like an angry14-year-old girl would. I told you before about her making fun of ****** for being stupid and for **** for being gay. Who would talk about a child like that. Jon did it right along with her, in front of me.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 308 of 308Simon, I was the one who asked the still unanswered questions. You can find them a bit up at 8:18.
Merryway, you answered your own question. Jon gave up the custody to Kate because Kate is their mother and there is no choice who gets the children. As most of you have said, Jon has never said Kate abuses them. Assumptions and allegations of abuse have come from the haters. Just as the sheep have said that Jon is an unfit father and he shouldn't have the kids. Nobody truly knows the custody time and actual arrangements. Assumptions and allegations are not entirely thrown about by the haters.
I have seen comments on the BL that don't paint Jon as a saint. There have been comments that show their distrust in Jon. Of course the majority are about Kate as that blog isn't a pro Kate blog. Just as this blog isn't a pro Jon blog.
Simon
Sage, I didn't mean you were directly played. I just meant that if the BL was played or manipulated in some way, than you were as well in some way. RH sent both blogs emails or comments. Repeating ANY part of them as fact or fiction is only meant to support the hate (Haters or Sheep). How much validity does RH have if both sides are being used to promote hate.
Simon
I have not purchased the Book. My reference is from the bits and pieces I have seen. Kate said herself that she doesn't use recipes (on her update show), so did she really write this book or just take basic recipes and change them up a bit to sound as if they were her own? She didn't write her first book entirely by herself, yet she act as if there was no co-writer on the book.
Simon
I say Kate is an abusive mom because those poor kids are NEVER going to eat eggs when they have the ability to choose. ;)
Simmon
"Merryway, you answered your own question. Jon gave up the custody to Kate because Kate is their mother and there is no choice who gets the children."
Simon, what are you talking about? I never said anything like that. Of course there is a choice. There are long drawn out court battles to determine which parent gets physical custody and/or legal custody. In addition, the court wants children to have a relationship with both parents and parents have rights to their children.
In Jon's case, he had shared legal custody w/Kate. But, he willingly and of sane mind gave that up.
As for physical custody, during their initial split, Jon and Kate spent equal time and shared the house (doomed from the start, but A+ for giving it a go). From Jon's own words, it is now every other weekend and one night dinner, less when school is in session. And, unfortunately, we know he is not seeing all the kids. I don't have a problem w/the every other weekend Dad. It's a reasonable solution. However, BL did her best to make those few days equal 50% physical custody and therefore Jon didn't have to support his children. Her bleeple swallowed it so they could keep hater club going.
Lol, nope I didn't answer my own question and your deflection is pretty lame.
What the hell am I deflecting?
Simon
"And, unfortunately, we know he is not seeing all the kids. I don't have a problem w/the every other weekend Dad. It's a reasonable solution. However, BL did her best to make those few days equal 50% physical custody and therefore Jon didn't have to support his children. Her bleeple swallowed it so they could keep hater club going."
How do WE know that not all the kids see him? You may not like the BL, but I'm pretty sure her math skills can deduce that Jon doesn't have 50/50 custody. Where did she say his limited visitation = 50/50 custody?
Simon
Lol
And, still the question goes unanswered.
Oh well, I'm sure the bleeple will know the answer as soon as BL explains it all away.
Every time you insert the letters BL in your comments, you are part of a "hater club" as well. I will say that at the least the BL doesn't allow bashing of other blogs on her blog. I have written comments about a very LAME blog that starts with the letter Z and she has emailed me that she prefers not to be a blog that bashes other blogs.
Simon
"And, still the question goes unanswered."
What question are you referring to?
Simon
This sort of a statement: Jon gave up the custody to Kate because Kate is their mother and there is no choice who gets the children."
can only come from someone who is completely ignorant and or doesn't live in the real world. I couldn't believe it when I read it. Of course there is a choice! A father will give up custody to his children's mother because she is their mother and there is no choice who gets the children? What! Are you for real? What if she's not a GOOD mother, as SO MANY who harass Kate Gosselin say about her daily? Would a FATHER STILL "give up" custody and hand his kids over to a parent who isn't a good mother, just because she IS their mother? It's beyond stupid, it's one of those comments that is so absurd you have to think it's joke because if it's meant to be a sincere and honest opinion - it's just too sad to even think about the person who said it.
Anyone out there who thinks Kate is an abusive mother and who knows that Jon willingly gave up his right to have a say in his kids' lives, but thinks that he's a good dad - can you count the ways that the facts contradict everything that you claim to believe? Good fathers don't leave their kids with 'abusive' moms. So, if Jon is a good father, who left his kids' in Kate's care then you have to conclude that Kate is not abusive. If Kate is 'abusive' and Jon doesn't fight to keep Kate from them then he's not a good father. Sorry, haters, those are the facts. Just because you choose to ignore them doesn't mean they are not the facts anymore. :)
Simon, judging a book by way of reading clips of others who hate Kate and haven't read the book is not a reliable way to judge it. The haters on Amazon pounce on everyone who writes an unfavorable review of RH's book and accuse them of not reading the book, which, in all cases I've seen, they have. Why is it okay for the opposition to trash a book they haven't read, but it's not okay for us to review a book we HAVE read? Double standard much?
another question that has not been answered? RH claims to have found Kate's journals five years ago. If he was so concerned about these children, two "maybe" calls to CPS would not have been enough. He should have camped on CPS' doorstep until someone checked out the situation. Sitting on this explosive information until he could use it to his OWN advantage is very suspect and trashes any credibility he THOUGHT he would have.
Oh, what's the problem with the e-mails, Simon? Sage was sent these e-mails, she's posting them. If you don't believe they are real, then don't believe them. It's not going to stop Sage from posting them anymore than people not believing Hoffman is stopping Hoffy from pushing his "book." From what I've seen in the comment section of any online site that poste excerpts from that book, a lot of people think that book is complete rubbish and believe that RH has a vendetta against Kate. Those people have the right to believe that and make those comments.
Kate's cookbook is beautiful. It has great recipes, beautiful pictures and sweet stories about how recipes were developed and about traditions of the Gosselin family. The haters saying otherwise doesn't change any of that.
"Where did she say his limited visitation = 50/50 custody?"
On her blog, over and over.
"I will say that at the least the BL doesn't allow bashing of other blogs on her blog."
Oh please, that's so not true.
"What question are you referring to?"
Really?
BL doesn't allow bashing of other blogs on her blog?
LMFAO
It is there. I have seen it. She allows comments all the time bashing other blogs. Just because she says it isn't so, doesn't mean it isn't so.
Also, what is the difference between bashing other blogs and bashing the fans on Twitter?
Good grief.
Anonymous said...
Every time you insert the letters BL in your comments, you are part of a "hater club" as well.
Simon
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As do you when you call us Sheeple.
Micha, why am I ignorant based on that comment? Maybe I wasn't clear. What I meant was that Jon had only one choice to give complete custody, their mom. Who else would get them? Abuse is not just physical. Kate is good at mental abuse as well. Remember when Kate was having a temper tantrum and threw the hot dog down (in Alaska)? That didn't set a very good example, not really abuse though. How about when she said the kids that didn't leave with her were not Gosselins any longer. That's abuse. Some of those kids probably believed it.
Simon
That's the problem. "I couldn't believe it when I read it" Clutching your pearls when you read something you don't like is getting so old. People are taking this Gosselin drama way to seriously.
Simon
Merry, I asked what question, I am serious. It's easier for you to simply ask it again vs. me searching through all the comments. If you don't want to ask it again, that's your choice. Just don't say I'm avoiding it or reply with a smarta** answer like "really?"
Simon
That is exactly right, Simon and that is one of the reasons I love this blog.
We are here to let the bleeple know that they take things way too seriously.
"BL doesn't allow bashing of other blogs on her blog?
LMFAO
It is there. I have seen it. She allows comments all the time bashing other blogs. Just because she says it isn't so, doesn't mean it isn't so.
Also, what is the difference between bashing other blogs and bashing the fans on Twitter?
Good grief."
I'm not going to wade through 1400 comments, but I have not seen any bashing of Sage's site on her blog. She has told me directly that she will not allow it, if she has changed her tune on that I have not seen it.
Simon
PS: Same holds true here: Just because you say she does, doesn't make it so.
"Where did she say his limited visitation = 50/50 custody?"
On her blog, over and over.
"I will say that at the least the BL doesn't allow bashing of other blogs on her blog."
Oh please, that's so not true.
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Why don't you copy and paste a couple of examples where she said limited = 50/50? Same for the bashing of blogs? Copy and paste of a NUT CASE who tweets and is so far up Kate's behind it's sickening is OK. Just as the Fans post comment after comment here.
Simon
Simon,
You seriously are not making any sense.
Betty, have another cup of coffee. I'm not sure why you're having reading comprehension issues. :)
Simon
So Simon I am trying to figure out here just what is your point?
You are all over the place.
How do you figure? I have brought up a couple different issues, rather than beating one issue to death.
Simon
1) I thought you (Sage) had asked me a question that I didn't answer.
2) Custody and how BL is saying that it is 50/50. Examples?
3) Blog Bashing. Examples of BL allowing it?
4)Replied to someone asking if OK to allow bashing of tweets.
Does that help sort it out? :)
Simon
Simon, I am catching up on the comments here.
I think RH contacted me in the beginning thinking he could play me. He was trying to get what if any info I had about Kate or Jon. He did the same thing with the BL.
In his book he took what they were saying at 15 and put that in the book as if it were true.
He may of thought he was playing me but in reality I played him.
It sounds like Simon had too much coffee this morning.
Simon is here to play games.
BL and the bleeps said many times that Jon had 50/50 custody. In fact BL said that Jon was her source for that info. Look back in her posts and you will find it.
No difference in poking at them when they continually post fan tweets and mock them and not just Milo. Her blog is public just as twitter is public. She can always go private as they think Kate should do.
Kate tweeted that Collin was 'working' at the farm next door and loving it. This is a haters response. Tweet the Governor!!
Harry T Nacious @HarryTNacious 5m
@GovernorCorbett So PA still allows Child Abuse to go uncheck. Kate Gosselin sents 10yr son out ALONE 2 work on neighbor's farm #ChildAbuse
And on that note is the BL's any less outrageous? Kate is mentally ill that is why Collin does not visit his dad. And how do we know she is mentally ill? Why Hoffman confirmed it in his book after reading it at 15. It couldn't be after all Jon's fault for Collin not wanting to spend time with him because Becks never saw Jon be anything less than the perfect dad.
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I agree it is worrisome if he's not seeing Jon regularly, but I disagree that we know it's because he'd prefer to hang out with the farmer rather than his dad.
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Exactly. A dozen things could be going on here. He could very well adore his father and desperately want to see him, but being the clear scapegoat in the family, he may be too afraid to upset Kate by leaving. He may feel it will be better for his relationship with her if he tries to please her by staying home. He may also worry about all the animals alone. He may also worry about his mother alone. She is very mentally unstable and if all the kids left her all weekend, he may wonder what would happen?
We just don't know and just have to hope and pray Jon is doing what is best to handle this. I know it's dysfunctional, I know that much. I know we never saw ANYTHING in the past that would indicate there is something wrong or dysfunctional between him and his father or any of the other children, which makes this all the more questionable
banging head on desk... How am I playing games? My gawd I am asking real questions. If you can't answer them, move on. Comment on something else. I promise I won't be offended.
Simon
"Harry T Nacious @HarryTNacious 5m
@GovernorCorbett So PA still allows Child Abuse to go uncheck. Kate Gosselin sents 10yr son out ALONE 2 work on neighbor's farm #ChildAbuse"
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OK, this is NUTS. I don't condone or prescribe to this thinking. A sane person would see that as a learning opportunity for Collin. Kate may say things that are not really for public consumption, but I'm sure she has vetted the farmer and all farm hands! lol.
Simon
I would like to know why it bothers the minions and tweethaters so much that Milo is such an over the top supporter? It certainly doesn't seem to bother them when the just as over the top haters spew their vitriol against Kate 24/7. Double standard again?
Simon you are transparent as a pane of glass.
I have no desire to play Simon says or do your homework.
Find the answers yourself.
Shawn said...
Simon you are transparent as a pane of glass.
I have no desire to play Simon says or do your homework.
Find the answers yourself.
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You make no sense at all. That's your MO, turn it back on me if you have no answers or ability to back up your accusations. The sand box is full anyway, take your toys and go home.
Simon
Simon, why would Jon give up legal custody of his kids? Either custody was taken from him by the court or he gave it up. If Kate is abusing her kids in any way why would their father be the one one with no legal custody? That's the question you are being asked.
"Merry, I asked what question, I am serious. It's easier for you to simply ask it again vs. me searching through all the comments" ~Simon
Lol, you want me to provide comments from Bl's blog but you can't read back a few comments. Done w/your games. Like you would ever give me a real answer.
"BL and the bleeps said many times that Jon had 50/50 custody. In fact BL said that Jon was her source for that info. Look back in her posts and you will find it."~Sage
Sage, love a good review of Bl's nonsense. Just disgusting that Jon enlists their help for his lies and attacks on Kate. Ugh, I remember back when Ellen used that blog to call for a boycott.
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Confirmed, they have 50-50 custody now which is why Jon doesn't have to pay anymore. He just needs to finish paying arrears Just as many of us figured. Congratulations Jon, now go for full.
Kate also has met Bill Blankinship, who was at Jen Stocks wedding.
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That's not how you count days when they are in school. They're not with Kate either. They are in school all day. Kate doesn't get to get credit for it. For custody purposes, tax purposes, and any other purpose it counts as your day.
My source was Jon, who contacted us (not the other way around) last summer thrilled that he had finally won more custody, frustrated that he was constantly being marginalized and alienated as only "four days a month" and wanted the truth to come out. I'm sure that will set the sheeple off, but I found him to be just the same as this interviewer, genuine and a devoted father. He spoke with us a few times over the phone and text to get the message out that he was not a deadbeat dad and left it at that, hasn't contacted us since. I told him it would be better for him to go on record himself but he didn't want to, and it seems all this time later, he finally decided to do it.
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She IS over the top, just as some haters are over the top. Both are questioned and dissected. No D/S there.
Simon
Oh Simon.... I struck a nerve again. LOL.
Dammit, What is wrong with some of the sheep? I simply asked WHAT questions I didn't answer. Since am being accused of not answering a question poised to me. That's it! Not playing games.
Simon
Yes, there IS a double standard. Look at the posts of some of the people on 15 minutes... I can think of one in particular, who is obviously a shut in with a lot of time on her hands and who is crazed with hate. She brags about contacting others to report Kate. She goes nuts on Twitter, too. No one on 15 minutes shuts her up. Ever.
BL's fallacy that the haters on her blog are more intelligent and better than the ones on Twitter is just that... a fallacy.
Simon, why would Jon give up legal custody of his kids? Either custody was taken from him by the court or he gave it up. If Kate is abusing her kids in any way why would their father be the one one with no legal custody? That's the question you are being asked.
Merryway....did you hear the sandbox is full?
LMAO
Shawn, I'm just tired of being accused of not answering questions, when I don't know what the question is! So, no nerve hit, just not playing games or Simon says.
Simon
Simon I'm not going to waste my Sunday doing your research.
Simon, why would Jon give up legal custody of his kids? Either custody was taken from him by the court or he gave it up. If Kate is abusing her kids in any way why would their father be the one one with no legal custody? That's the question you are being asked.
Simon,
Merryway, gave you an example of one of many comments that she made regarding 50/50 custody.
You should be grateful and thank her and others here who can back up what we and they say. You will never get that at 15. Your questions and temper tantrums would never make it past Becks. The truth scares them and you by the looks of it.
There is one rule that I agree with Becks about...you will be respectful to the others who post here.
Yoo hoo, Simon...You claimed that you didn't post at the BL's and yet here you've just completely contradicted that. Not only have you proven yourself to be juvenile over and over, but now you've outed yourself as a liar. Color me SHOCKED that you've actually posted there. Shocked, I tell you.
Here's a little reminder for ya:
Anonymous said...
Another thing, I have never posted at the BL blog. But see how you work? You make up things and say "oh I know I have seen them"
Simon
July 23, 2014 9:46 PM
Anonymous said...
Every time you insert the letters BL in your comments, you are part of a "hater club" as well. I will say that at the least the BL doesn't allow bashing of other blogs on her blog. I have written comments about a very LAME blog that starts with the letter Z and she has emailed me that she prefers not to be a blog that bashes other blogs.
Where is the D/S if both "sides" have the nutty fans/haters that are singled out on the respective blog?
Simon
You are ignorant, Simon. For starters, you don't know the difference between physical and legal custody. Start there.
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Anonymous said...
Micha, why am I ignorant based on that comment? Maybe I wasn't clear. What I meant was that Jon had only one choice to give complete custody, their mom. Who else would get them? Abuse is not just physical. Kate is good at mental abuse as well. Remember when Kate was having a temper tantrum and threw the hot dog down (in Alaska)? That didn't set a very good example, not really abuse though. How about when she said the kids that didn't leave with her were not Gosselins any longer. That's abuse. Some of those kids probably believed it.
Simon
Yoo Hoo Namesless.. I didn't out myself at all. I used to make attempts at posting under my name about that Blog with a Z and the comments were not posted. I stopped trying when I realized comments would be censored. I read there, but I don't think I should have to be approved. At least Sage allows ALL opinions.
Simon
Simon, why did Jon give up custody?
LMAO Shawn.
Nameless, you just trying to get me riled up so I will lash out? Don't be such an ass.I know the difference.
Not sure that it matters. He doesn't have legal since he gave it up to her. How much he physically sees the kids is anyone's GUESS.
Simon
But WHY would Jon give up custody to Kate if she is an abusive parent? Was he FORCED to do it? I really can think of no good scenario for a parent to give up legal custody to an abusive parent. Maybe SIMON can help us out on that. . .
Not sure that it matters. He doesn't have legal since he gave it up to her. How much he physically sees the kids is anyone's GUESS
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Not a guess. Jon himself said he sees them every other weekend and he does not how many of them he sees...only the ones that come down the driveway.
He also said he sees them on one day during the week but not so much during the school year.
Riiighht. You "attempted" to post there and the BL just happened to have your email address to send you email. Please. Don't lash out at me for calling you on your BS.
Anonymous said...
Yoo Hoo Namesless.. I didn't out myself at all. I used to make attempts at posting under my name about that Blog with a Z and the comments were not posted. I stopped trying when I realized comments would be censored. I read there, but I don't think I should have to be approved. At least Sage allows ALL opinions.
Riiighht. You "attempted" to post there and the BL just happened to have your email address to send you email. Please. Don't lash out at me for calling you on your BS.
Anonymous said...
Yoo Hoo Namesless.. I didn't out myself at all. I used to make attempts at posting under my name about that Blog with a Z and the comments were not posted. I stopped trying when I realized comments would be censored. I read there, but I don't think I should have to be approved. At least Sage allows ALL opinions.
Your posts indicate that you don't know the difference. In response to Merryway's post about LEGAL custody, you responded that Jon had no choice because Kate is their mother and there is no choice who "gets" the children. 1) Legal custody is not about who "gets" the children and 2) to state that there is no choice with regard to either legal or physical custody is patently false. That's what family court is for. Your posts show your igorance.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Nameless, you just trying to get me riled up so I will lash out? Don't be such an ass.I know the difference.
Not sure that it matters. He doesn't have legal since he gave it up to her. How much he physically sees the kids is anyone's GUESS.
Simon
"Simon, why would Jon give up legal custody of his kids? Either custody was taken from him by the court or he gave it up. If Kate is abusing her kids in any way why would their father be the one one with no legal custody? That's the question you are being asked."
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Clearly he gave it up because he can't afford the monthly amount due. That being said, I'm sure she is allowed to film or whatever she wants with regards to the kids. The issue of abuse is being tossed about by Bloggers. What the bloggers feel is abuse and what the law considers abuse don't match up.
Simon
Saw this posted at the BL's. Kinda flys in the face of all the BS she spews.
http://www.lancasterlawblog.com/2012/05/articles/family-law/divorce/custody/top-10-custody-myths-in-lancaster-county/
Nameless, you are reading way too much into my answer. I simply meant that there are two parents. If Jon doesn't have legal custody, it would be Kate who does. (when asked why Jon would give it up if she is an abuser). The question and answer is getting all twisted. Lets just drop it. She has legal custody, they physically see Jon when ever they do. Again, no one knows the exact amount of time (except them and the kids)
Simon
But it doesn't say much about Jon if he would give up legal custody to someone he thought was abusing his kids. Obviously, he doesn't think that.
Nameless, did you consider I may have emailed her and asked why she didn't like comments about other blogs when those same blogs do it? Geez, no big conspiracy here. You look for a Simon anywhere on her blog and come back to me. I haven't tried to post there in over 3 years. I read there and some of the comments are just annoying (like the comments about Collin at the neighbors farm).
Simon
I would take it to mean that Jon does not consider Kate an abuser otherwise he would not give up his legal custody rights.
Simon, legal custody has nothing to do with how much child support you pay.
I think you are confused on this.
I read the examples from BL blog. Kate has legal custody and physical custody. Jon has some visitation days. I see where they say Jon has 50/50, but I don't see where that means he doesn't have to support them. I don't see the BL saying it either.
In the end it really doesn't matter. He see's them on some days, she has them the rest. She has 100% legal, he doesn't. Not seeing why that is important. Their lives and their business.
Simon
Well, it was made to sound as if Jon gave up all his legal rights (filming, etc) and with that Kate dropped her demands for support.
In this case, I seems as if the two are tied together.
Again, I'm not claiming to be an expert or have any inside knowledge of their agreements. Most of what is out there in the blog world is speculation anyway.
Simon
The question is, Simon,
Jon had 50% legal say over the kids.
If Kate abuses the kids, why would he give up his 50% to Kate?
What kind of man would do this?
But Jon has said on Tv that Kate has 100% legal and that when the kids visit him he pays for their food.
If Kate is such a monster, why did he give up his legal rights to them?
Well, it was made to sound as if Jon gave up all his legal rights (filming, etc) and with that Kate dropped her demands for support.
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Kate didn't 'demand' Jon support his kids. The courts are the ones that 'demand' Jon and other fathers support their kids.
Kate, by the looks of it, waived support from Jon. It was about that time that it came out Kate has sole legal custody. If I am not mistaken a judge would have to okay this arrangement and it looks like he did.
This also would have been the time, one would think, that if Jon had proof of abuse to show it. Jon willingly gave up legal custody.
"The question is, Simon,
Jon had 50% legal say over the kids.
If Kate abuses the kids, why would he give up his 50% to Kate?
What kind of man would do this?"
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The allegations of abuse and abusive ways are coming from the non fans. That doesn't mean it holds any water or is true in any way. Again though, he gave up his 50% because of the support deal they made? At least thats what the speculation is and Jon knows the truth about any abuse. Real or imagined.
Simon
What was funny Jon then goes on TV and says he is going for full custody of the tups but, then changed it to full custody of all eight when questioned about only wanted the tups. He also, said he wanted a psych eval of Kate stating that he had many. LOL
I would think the time to state that would have been when he willingly gave up legal not on TV.
And that's where logic falls by the wayside with the extreme haters. I can understand not liking Kate. Personally, I am not a fan of her. On the show I preferred Jon. He seemed fun. And although Kate's personality didn't endear me to her, I did see where it was needed to balance out Jon's tendency to be very laid back. Just like Jon's personality balanced Kate's. I really liked them together. Apart, they seem too extreme.
We're not getting anywhere if every word is dissected. Demand or ordered, not trying to split hairs here. What ever the courts ordered Jon to pay. OK?
Simon
Simon, you said above that Kate was good at mental abuse. Wouldn't Jon know that, if true? Do you really think he would give up legal custody if his ex-wife were abusing his kids in any way?
Sage, it was known for awhile that Jon was no longer required to pay support before Jon revealed on The View that Kate had sole legal custody.
Jon was claiming that Kate wanted him in jail back in 7/12. Kate's attorney gave a statement that Kate had relieved Jon of child support since that April. Then, Jon quit twitter, lol.
It was a surprise when Jon so matter of factly told the The View that Kate had sole legal. That was sometime in 9/13. I couldn't believe he had given up legal custody.
That's why Bl's lies got so twisted. One of her first was that it was illegal for a child support order to be rescinded after it was in place. Then, she tried to tie it into Jon having 50/50 physical custody, which was just another big ole lie.
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Looks like the best seller is on clearance. LOl isn't that what the haters said about Kate's books?
That's right, Merryway. Jon quit twitter because he got caught in another big ole lie.
The haters sainted him because they twisted it that he quit to remain private.
Just like they say he stopped filming the show. Jon quit because he wanted to go on to other women and other things to film. had nothing to do with the kids. Haters refuse to see that.
Roberts book in clearance, that didn't take long. Best seller my butt.
If Jon is worried about Colin, he needs to go to the highest mountain, or in his case, ROL and make a stink about it.But he just sits there and allows his supporters speculate about how Colin is being abused. One is even saying Colin is ripe for sexual abuse.They're always worried the G kids will be made fun of at school about the show. Well they should stop and think that they may start picking up these rumors from about abuse and pick on him about it.
Jon Gosselin, if you're certain about Colin being singled out, get your ass to a lawyer or your mouthpiece ROL and demand something be done.But you won't. You love the fact that Kate is being crucified by the press and haters without concrete proof. You just sit back and laugh. Better Kate than you.Both you and Kate need to get together and get some counseling for the kids and both of you...together.Do it for the kids.And nip this whole Internet hating in the bud.
Sadie,
By Jon remaining silent about all of this shows he just does not care. He hates Kate more than he loves his kids.
Anything to get at Kate is okay with him. We saw on couples Therapy he is still bitter and cannot or will not let it go and move on.
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You have complete control over your self published book on Amazon and it's actually regarded as a sound strategy to routinely change the price. They allow you to do it at will as well as have sales and even free days.
It sounds counterintuitive but after I did a couple days of giving away my book for free I sold a lot more than usual in the days afterward. A lot of people report this same thing.
In any case a price fluctuation it's not an indication of anything but marketing strategy.
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Unless, if it was Kate's book.
BL had a book?
Quilt,
Yes, some type of fiction which she is used to writing. :)
I'm confused, Simon doesn't post on that blog, but spends hours posting here to go over Kate's entire life, why is that?
Many defended Jon here at one time, wanted the family to work out their differences and move on. Of course, then the BL makes video's of the family that was terrible, and RH whispered in her ear along with Jon. How soon we forget the BL thought she was a spokesman for Jon, RH and the real law of custody and cs, in a state where she does not practice.
I would like to know what Simon thinks of the birth fetish site and why it was never talked about over there?
You do not willingly give up legal custody of your children if you are worried about them being abused. You also don't go run off to France, NYC, Utah, Vegas, California and Hawaii.
Yup and yup, merryway. The level of DENIAL over there IS mind bloggling. And ridiculous. And stupid.
- glitter
Me thinks Simon has been around for a long time, imo.
Ain't that the truth.
-Tuesday
Well, maybe Jon was BS'ing about abuse or the level of it. He clearly feels OK with Kate having the kids.
Simon
LOL. BL said all kids, except Collin and Mady, on vacation with Jon. Kate tweets twins home from trip with friends. Foiled again, BL!
Micha, why am I ignorant based on that comment? Maybe I wasn't clear. What I meant was that Jon had only one choice to give complete custody, their mom. Who else would get them? Abuse is not just physical. Kate is good at mental abuse as well. Remember when Kate was having a temper tantrum and threw the hot dog down (in Alaska)? That didn't set a very good example, not really abuse though. How about when she said the kids that didn't leave with her were not Gosselins any longer. That's abuse. Some of those kids probably believed it.
Simon
Why would Jon give "complete custody" of his kids to anyone? What's ignorant is that you think he didn't have a choice since he was giving up custody therefore Kate was his only choice. What? How about NOT giving up custody? That's an option. Is giving up "complete custody" of his kids what "good fathers" do? Now, if you consider all these "abuse" allegations (all sorts) why would any parent give up custody and hand it over to someone they thought was abusing their kids? Is that what "good fathers" do? So, either Jon knows his kids are fine with Kate and that's why he felt it was alright to give "complete custody" to Kate or he does think that Kate is abusive but gave up "complete custody" to her because there is something more important to him than the well being of his own kids. In only one scenario does Jon come out looking like a "good father" and it's not the scenario where he thinks his kids are being raised by an abusive person but still gives that person "complete custody." So, as I said previously, if Jon is really the "good father" that people claim he is then Kate can't be abusing her children, because a "good" father wouldn't leave his children to be abused and give up custody of his children to someone who he thinks is abusing them, would he?
As for that example of "abuse" regarding Kate saying kids who didn't leave with her aren't "Gosselins" anymore. Are you kidding? THAT is what you consider "abuse?" You think those kids wouldn't pick up on the fact that she wasn't serious and couldn't be serious and that "some of those kids probably believed it?" You give a fine example of how people who dislike Kate make everything she does a bigger issue than it is or ever could be!
WOW. Talk about rinse and repeat. The fans can talk the abuse issue until it just is ridiculous. Kate has issues. Jon has issues. The poor kids are in the middle. What is considered abuse won't matter until it rises to the level of illegal or someone actually witnesses it. Done trying to explain what I meant about abuse or no abuse. Have a great Monday!
Simon
Simon.
Serious question???
Do you think for a hot minute if Kate abused the kids, that Jon would let that go by? He would have been a hero to his few fans seeing Kate charged and put in jail. If you read Hoff's accusations, no way would Kate have those kids, I don't care where or who you are. It's sad that RH has a mad crush on Kate and she ignored him, so he took it upon himself to destroy her at all costs, even if it meant hurting Jon, Kate and the kids. What kind of creepy person would stalk a family to get his jollies off? Do you think Hoff is mentally ill? Just asking, imo.
Farkle, I'm not sure what to say when the fans take a person (RH) and despise him so much that he goes from a reporter, rag mag or other, to having a crush on Kate and being in love with her. He used his tricks of the trade and got info from any source he could. From the emails Sage published it appears RH used people. Whatever. That doesn't mean Kate OR Jon are saints. Again, they have both done things that people (fans or non fans) are disgusted by. Kates method of raising her kids can be seen as extreme or rigid and military like or devoted and caring. Jon can be seen as lazy or caring. That doesn't mean either is abusing them. Being tough isn't abuse. Clearly Jon knows that deep down.
Simon
Simon,
I don't despise RH. I just think he has some type of issue going on here.
If nothing else he is an opportunist. Saw it and made it fit to his advantage.
Sage, well based on the comments here I would say you are the only one who doesn't despise him. Despise, disgusted by, Hate, etc. Pick an adjective to describe him.
Simon
I don't despise RH either. I think he's got a very big grudge against Kate that fuels what he's doing. From what I've read that he wrote himself, it seems as though if Kate only gave him the time of day, ONCE, he wouldn't be after her the way he seems to be. I think his whole agenda is ego driven.
It's very clear to many that he's not doing it for the good of anything - the kids, Jon, Kate - and nothing he writes or claims will change anything. If you think kids are being "abused" you don't write a book about it, you go to the LAW immediately (police, CPS) and take action, don't you? Sure you do, if you actually want to help the kids who you say you think are being "abused."
It seems he just wants to hurt Kate's "image" by giving all these alleged "examples" of how very MEAN she is. The people who already "hate" Kate love to read all he has to say and the people who are neutral or are "fans" of Kate see him as having serious "issues" that are disturbing.
Robert threw me from the get-go with the whole website/countdown thing just before his release of the book. It took it from a cheese reporter just trying to make a buck to something very personal towards the subjects. Yes, IMO "disgusted" fits.
Just because I do not despise him does not mean I don't see his obsession. The taunting tweets and veiled threats he has tweeted to Kate for the past few YEARS not to mention following her are the acts of a disturbed person that needs an intervention.
Well, I don't like him. He's obsessed with Kate and has followed her around. Most people would be skeeved by someone like that but they support it.
The ladies here have answered Simons questions but he dances around theirs and insults.I'm happy that you've decided to stop "trying" Simon.Sage has kind and patient with you.Wish you had felt the same towards her and her posters.
Lola, I don't believe I have seen you before...Welcome!
Becks is wearing her psychiatrist hat today.
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I've moved away from thinking it's narcissism. Now I think she's a sociopath which as I understand it is called antisocial personality disorder by the DSM. She hits every single one of the seven factors the DSM describes. On the money.
a SOCIOPATH? How unprofessional can this NON-professional NON-medical person be? She's diagnosing a woman she only knows from TV and most of whose "symptoms? have been made up by her and her minions. You're not a doctor, Becks, but you certainly need one!
Micha, I agree with you.. He's not doing it for anything that has anything to do with the kids. As I said a couple of days ago, if you think the children are in danger, you camp out on the doorstep of the authorities who need to check it out. You don't make a couple of feeble phone calls (if he did) and you DON'T SIT ON THIS INFO FOR FIVE YEARS!
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