Saturday, May 23, 2015

The Duggars

Here is a link to the gawker which gives the timeline of events regarding the Duggars.

http://defamer.gawker.com/the-web-has-known-about-josh-duggar-for-years-when-did-1706258269


TLC has issued a statement saying they are pulling the shows. They have not said they are cancelling the show.

Would any of you watch a revamped Duggar show? One without Josh?

Do any of you think that the Duggars are a cult? Did the lifestyle and teachings contribute to what Josh did to his sisters? Do you believe, in a way, that Josh is a victim of his upbringing, too?

Open discussion...

230 comments:

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merryway said...

I watched a lot of the Duggar shows when they put the series on Netflix. I watch because I'm interested in their repressed lifestyle. The only thing I've seen that impressed me is, at least the girls are allowed to participate in their family outings. They can climb hills, go on plane rides, waterski, etc.
I can't stand how Michelle would push a baby off on the older girls when a new one would come along.
I would continue to watch. It would put a different spin knowing what some of the girls had been through.
I'm not sure I agree with the deominzation of Josh Duggar. The responsibility should have fallen on Michelle and Jimbob to correct the situation. He knew what he was doing was very wrong. He caused his sisters to suffer and made them into victims. But, he was juvenile. I'm not sure this marks him as a predator for life.

merryway said...

Kate tweeted twice last night. Once, to debunk National Enquirer story that she was getting married. The other tweet was something about being tired ans sleeping in.
According to BL's magnificent powers of interpretation, that means Kate is giddy with excitement over the fall of the Duggars.
I'm pretty sure that Kate realizes her show can stop at anytime. TLC has stopped filming twice before.
BL has to bring it back to poor Jon, who has trouble keeping roof over his head.

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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 179

Well KFI huge radio station for Los Angeles and pretty much all of Southern California called them the Dugans all night but at least the story was discussed!! Kates giddiness is coming through in her tweets she can't hide it. The story should scare her for many reasons not the least of which is how quickly TLC you will fire you if they feel they have to. Her work is no more steady and stable than some of Jon's jobs yet he's blasted for it.
May 23, 2015 at 12:06 AM

merryway said...

I just looked at the timeline. I can't believe Michelle and Jimbob didn't take more drastic action.
It took from March 2002 to March 2003 for them to remove Josh from the home and then it was only for 3 1/2 months.
Michelle and Jimbob owed their children much more than this. They failed to protect their daughers. Josh needed more than their prayers, he needed real help.

Micha said...

The Duggar show is not one that I ever watched with purpose. Sometimes it would air after a Kate Plus 8 episode and so it would be on in my home. I've seen commercials, I've thought the kids seemed cute, but it was Michelle Duggar who really creeped me out to the point where once she started talking I'd stop whatever I was doing that had prevented me from changing the channel, and I'd change that channel.

What's been revealed is heartbreaking. I feel for those children who went through what they did. I'd like to know if people who were big fans of the show really want to see it return, and how. All I can hope is that the kids in that family are all okay.

As for Kate, why would she be giddy? It's hater craziness. The Duggar situation has nothing to do with her, the same way the Honey Boo Boo situation had nothing to do with her. Every family has their own problems. I always thought TLC would revisit Kate Plus 8, as I'm sure most people did, but it had nothing to do with other TLC shows.

The haters just like to work themselves into a frenzy over Kate even when she has nothing to do with what's going on with TLC. It's always about Kate for them, surprise, surprise.

Farkle said...

Off subject:

Please remember to honor our vets, past and present this weekend.

Farkle said...

As far as the Duggers, I was never a fan. I didn't like the fact that Jin Bob always talked about sex, babies, children having to follow crazy religious stuff and he and Michelle always preached their beliefs on the show. The kids were programed to much, and having a church on their grounds, he didn't have to pay his share of taxes. I think the backstory of this family is yet to come, people that live there and have seen Jim Bob in action know much more. Making sure that his girls marry young and have children without a further education always bothered me, but when you live in that situation all your life, it is pounded into your brain. Very sad for the victims and that Jim Bob's stupid grin and hairspray can go away. I feel sorry for the kids, their income will probably be gone and Jim Bob does not work. People in their community will probably not do business with him and Michelle again.

As far as Josh, that is up to the law and God. His wife knew of his past, but she was raised the same way if I remember?? He will have a hard time getting a job unless he goes back to selling used cars again. The women do not work, maybe they will finally see that women are of value and can hold a job and get a education. imo

Farkle said...

Reading around today, a couple of years ago Jim Bob was bragging how their show would NEVER be cancelled. Hmm, guess God forgot to tell him your lies and untruths will catch up with you. Read their rules on home schooling, it's lays it all out there with this issue, and looks like the blame is put on the victims, sweater too tight, ect. OMG, what have these girls lived with.

I believe something is off with Jim Bob, his church, the trooper (was he a member of the church)? Who are the elders of this church? Are they relatives of Jim Bob? It always bothered me that Jim Bob talked about his daughters sexuality. This is some scary freaky chit. I wonder how the Bates family deal with knowing this stuff, yet they pretended to be so close to the Duggers. Did they need a income to raise their kids also? Did they approve of this? So many questions. imo

Eva said...

Farkle,
I agree with everything you commented on.
I will only add--There is more to come about this family and I don't think it will be good news.

Quiltart said...

Luke's Mom better check her timeline. Jon didn't say STOP FILMING until he was no longer getting part of the pie. He didn't say stop until his hater team and his BFF Hoffie put the words in his mouth.

He has flip-flopped so many times about whether filming was good or bad it's hard to keep track, but one thing is for sure, it's all about the fact that he is not part of it anymore.



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Luke's Mom said... 103

I agree !!

What is very interesting about what the WP wrote is that you could substitute Gosselin for Duggars, add divorce, and it turns into a FACT of exactly what TLC did years ago even when the Gkids father, Jon, said STOP over and over:

***What could be more absorbing for viewers than the presence of the camera as the "Gosselins" try to navigate their way through a family crisis (Divorce) ?" ****

TLC did not care and kept filming when Jon, the children's own father, said STOP, I do NOT want my kids exploited during one of their most distressing times of their lives.

TLC has proved over and over that doing what is morally and ethically correct is not their concern. TLC is only concerned with ratings and dollars. I truly hope TLC under new management moves in a new direction and CANCELS all future filming of the Duggars and stops all shows exploiting the lives of ALL children including the Gosselins!
May 23, 2015 at 3:48 PM

Sage said...

Quiltart, Facts or comprehension is not, I repeat, is not a strong suit of the bleeple.

Quiltart said...

LOL, Sage.. I know!

PJ's momma said...

I think it's a cult. The Bible says to go out and spread the gospel. How can you do that if you make your entire family completely insular? They don't go to school, they don't have anything to do with people outside their church/movement, so how are they going to do what the Bible commands? They may go on missions and such, but they go home and stick to their own again.

I don't believe their upbringing contributes to these sexual crimes. And that's what they are. The people who defend this little pervert make me sick. I would love to ask Huckabee and others - would you feel so blase' about this if it was YOUR daughter? Especially if she was his victim over and over and over?

The side hug thing was on the last thread. There is a time and place for that. My friend and I were admins for a tutoring program. Each child was paired up with the same mentor for the school year. Our umbrella organization trained us and all tutors on side hugs. It is to protect both the tutor and child. Some of these kids were so thrilled to see their tutors each week that they would fly into their arms for a hug. The tutors always tried to hug from the side and the kids seemed none the wiser. Most of the tutors were senior citizens and grandparents. The kids just loved the one-on-one attention. We didn't get the same hugs each week because we didn't have the same relationship/bond. But some kids are just huggers, and yes, we sort of body-blocked them and gave side hugs. But within families? I find that so weird. Sooooooo weird. Why shouldn't a father be able to hug his daughter, or brothers to hug sisters? How about uncles and nieces or grandfathers/granddaughters? It's bizarre. If my uncles or brothers hugged me like that, I would be sniffing my armpits or breath to see what was so offensive.

Quiltart said...

PJ's Momma, I agree. I have always thought it was like a cult. Jim Bob has created his own religion, down to claiming the house, which TLC paid for, is a church, so that they don't pay taxes.

The daughters are like indentured servants, except the only way they can get their freedom is to get married, living on Jim Bob's compound, and start the breeding process all over again.

Mary EmDee said...

I find the Duggars beliefs to be quite archaic. It's hard to fathom that the molestation went on for years and they really didn't seem to do much for the girls. You would think they would have had all of the children in some form of counciling not "manual labor" for just the son. It saddens me that all the females are treated like second class citizen.

PJ- I hear you about kids and hugs. The kids I tutor in my son's middle school are all huggers!! The girls are the worst- they really do try to hug everyone. If you watch them they all hug hello and goodbye to their friends.

Farkle said...

I don't know if I would say that the Duggers are a cult, instead the word "isolation" would fit them better. Covering up a terrible situation has now made them the biggest joke in what they were always preaching. Jim Bob always was creepy to me, there is something very wrong with him, and TLC needs to pull that family off YV. I would agree if the daughters would split from the family and have a show if they want, but the money would funnel right back to Jim Bob, as they would still be sub-servant to the men of the household.

It's time Jim Bob and his sons to fade away quietly and get help that they need and CPS should monitor this family for a long time. Wonder if anyone in the legal system has been in contact with this family? I would also like the IRS to revoke the church standings on their property, this is a sham if you ask me.

It has happened everywhere said...

Do people really only think that kids are molested because they are on TV? The Dugger family had the issue long before they were ever on TV. Many children have been abused and they have never seen a TV crew in there home. Their argument is so disturbing that they only want to bash TLC instead of looking at the whole picture. It's very sad when it happens to anyone, but those who are only going to bash TLC or the G's need to do some real research into this issue.

Sage said...

The only reason they bash TLC is because they employ Kate.

EVERYTHING they read, watch or dream about is Kate.

Mimi said...

I do think the Duggars are a cult and that is why I agree with Merryway about not being on board with the deominzation of Josh. In fact in some ways Josh is a victim of his upbringing. I have worked with lots of different women over the years and I have heard of three cases of similar incidents in their homes.One had a 13 year who was molesting her 3 year old,one an 11 year old also with a 3 year old and one 9 year old girl with her 6 year old brother. In each case the abusers had been absused themselves,two by step-parents and one by his own father whom the mother was divorced from but whom still had visitation with the kids. In each case the parents did a lot of the same things the Duggars reportedly did,they contacted the police,cps was involved,the child was temporarily removed from the home,and they were required to undergo counseling. None of the abusers were put in juvie,and as far as I know none were labeled as sex offenders. I watched the absolute despair and sorrow that these woman experienced,but they still loved their children and in all cases took a lot of blame on themselves from not knowing what their older children had been through.This stuff happens all the time,as sad as that is to say,and although I do not like anything about the Duggars I think they handled this at first the way a lot of people would.Now the part that is crazy is that they would put their family in the spotlight knowing that a lot of the children have such deep seated issues.

Quiltart said...

Sage, for years the bleeple have said that they didn't have a problem with the Duggars because they supported their family without the TV show. From what I've read since this scandal broke, that was never true. They were having serious financial problems when TLC found them. The only thing the Duggars purchased for the new house was the kitchen equipment. TLC paid/pays for everything else. How are the bleeple gonna explain how that is different from what the Gosselins did and what they have accused Kate of doing every minute of every day? Do you think the Duggars are banking their money in accounts for 19 + 2 parents? I doubt it. The Duggars have always gotten a break from the haters because they were so holier than thou and they were not Kate Gosselin.

someone thinks they're speshul said...

Virginia Pen Mom, comment 47, appears to want a cookie for doing what all mothers do. PARENT THEIR CHILDREN.

Hey Virginia? You're not special. lol

Someone should explain the rules to Jim Bob again said...

Search Quiverfull, this tells the way the Duggers live. It's sad that women are so repressed.

The makeup, phones, etc are a sham for the Diggers to be using.

merryway said...

I don't understand how the police report was made public. Everyone involved was a minor. Juvie records are seperate from adult records. Redacting the names of the minor victims is pointless when it's a older brother. I surely thought that the records of juveniles were not included in the FOI.

The protection of the victims should be foremost. I don't think any of this should have been made public. Except, that it really bothers me that Children's Services wasn't involved to ensure the safety of all the children. But still, that moment has passed and the victims are having to go through this.

The only experience I have with this is long ago when I used to foster. I did respite on the weekends for other foster parents. The program I was involved with was with chldren who were hard to place. I had young children at home, so I always had to read the foster file to make sure they had not molested another child (usually repeating their own victimization). There were always a host of other problems, so sometimes that fact was lost in the shuffle.

Nameless in LA said...

The BL and her minions are "students of reality TV." Who knew? I thought they were just a bunch of snarky bitches with way too much time on their hands.
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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 44
This is different this time, I think. When you look at the FB comments on TLC's page, of which there are hundreds upon hundreds on each posts, it's clear a lot of people are fans.

The fans are saying, look, I absolutely adore The Little Couple but I can't watch anymore because of the Duggars. A lot of them sound really sad and will miss seeing the kids but say I just can't do it. I have never seen this sort of widespread outrage over TLC before. Quite frankly we were never be able to muster this sort of outrage from the general public toward the Gosselins. The only thing that came close was the twins' appearance on the Today show, but that was over within 48 hours.

It's one thing for people like us who are sort of students of reality tv and have been pointing out their errors for years. These are people who haven't really gotten a dog in this fight. They were just casual fans of various TLC shows and were appalled when their bubble burst. Perhaps it will blow over eventually but this is different.

Farkle said...

The G's have had their fair share of haters, but what the Dugger story is, has nothing to do with the G's including Jon.

You would think a lawyer like the esteemed BL (cough, snicker, snort,) would be able to figure out the equation in all of this. Just because kids that appear on TV, in the movies, commercials, etc, not everyone is a sicko like the BL. I would think that her fetish site and Josh would go hand in hand. imo

Quiltart said...

I noticed over the past couple of days that even a couple of Bleeple stated that as much as they dislike Kate, spanking your children is not against the law in Pennsylvania. The Duggars are in a completely different category.

merryway said...

I guess BM thinks they're saving the world by gossiping and rumoring on a hate blog.

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Anonymous said... 119

I think now is a good time to remember what Albert Einstein said: "The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything".

bm
May 28, 2015 at 10:36 AM

Farkle said...

So the BL has a hate blog and a fetish site, so she is destroying her own world. One could hope.

Quiltart said...

I wonder if most of the bleeple know what BL's fetish website is about... If it was anyone exploiting those young women, they'd be harassing them from the rooftops!

Quiltart said...

I meant anyone ELSE!

Sage said...

I am finally back...sort of. Major computer problems not completely solved but getting there!

Quiltart said...

Sage, I was getting worried! Glad you're back!

Sage said...

This has been an ongoing thing with my computer. I have someone that has been working on it and I just got it back tonight. Still some kinks to be worked out but at least I can access the blog.

Nameless in LA said...

This might be my favorite BL post ever.

Arrogant pricks usually don't know they come off like arrogant pricks. Exhibit A: The BL

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 77
I wonder if Jeff Millionaire knows that he comes off like an arrogant prick. Maybe in real life he's just lovely, but so far, I wouldn't even want to be friends with him let alone date him.

Sage said...

Lol lol...nameless, I have to agree with you on that one!

Quiltart said...

Trust me, BL, Jeff Millionaire wouldn't be interested in you either... Can a woman be an arrogant prick?

merryway said...

BL is absolutely giddy that Kate's got an event this weekend. Remember when Kate threw a twitter contest for the fans? BL had to have a mirror contest on her hate blog. Now, Kate's appearing at a block party and so BL must have a block party.
That's not crazy. (pure sarcasm)

Bl is so petty with everything Kate. Bl says Kate finagled a hotel room on TLC's dime. Why shouldn't Kate have a room the night before an appearance. That's pretty standard. Pretty sure the other TLC celebs will have one too. Yeesh.

xxxxxx

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 120

I bet she finagled it to get a hotel room tonight on their dime, and hair and make up might be on the early side tomorrow.

There may be some pre-media things or prepping for the event in the morning that they all have to get up for.

Still 8 pm is a luxury. If she's home, her own kids shouldn't even be in bed yet. Even if she has to get up at 5 am, which is doubtful for a call time that's not until noon or a bit earlier, that's STILL a full *nine* hours of sleep. That's nuts and not relatable.

Roll out the grills. We have invited to the block party our neighbors Gawker, Radar, Philly.com and anyone who hangs out on Twitter to join us!
May 29, 2015 at 8:54 PM

merryway said...

Ignoring the part of BL's mention of Rick Santorum. It's just another example of BL not being able to stand a poster who doesn't view the world as she does. Bl's opinion is always the right one and she'll write yards to prove it.

Why should Kate have to answer a question about the Duggars? Is it just Kate or all the TLC stars? What about Leah Remini, The Say Yes To The Dress people, Breaking Amish, the Willis clan, the Johnstons, the Sister Wives, etc. Do they need to get it together too?
Bl is getting a real high on her fix of Kate. I have a feeling she's drooling on her keyboard.

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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 124

Once schmoops goes out in public, eventually sh'es going to get asked about the Duggars. She may be able to put it off due to the nature of this protected event but it won't last long.

I'm not sure that "no comment" is going to cut it this time. She better have something prepared that's not full of um's and uhh's. And not something she threw together on the back of a cocktail napkin in the limo on the way over. Get it together, doofus. She's not like Rick Santorum who can field a question like that very well without being prepared for it.
May 29, 2015 at 9:03 PM

merryway said...

At Bls, I have read a lot hate, rumors, lies and stupidity. But this has got to be the most offensive comment that BL has ever made.
Being gay is not an emotional/mental disease. Good grief. I can't believe BL. Wow! I just can't believe her.

I remember BL referring to the Little Couple as midgets and also using the word "retarded."
Ntm, the fetish site.
Bl's followers use a blind eye quite a bit when it comes to their ignorant leader.

xxxxxxx

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 133

If you talk to anyone in the field of psychiatry ..they will tell you that being transgender and being gay is an emotional illness...no one is born like that....it's unnatural ...nature doesn't work like that...

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That's my understanding of the research as well, and a big reason why I changed my opinion about gay people when I was about 18. That and befriending my first gay friends in college. The problem is it doesn't strengthen the argument much, because people are born with a lot of things, and some of those things that occur in the womb result in good behaviors and some result in bad behaviors. Being born with something doesn't mean it's a good behavior, but it doesn't mean it's bad either. It can go either way.
May 29, 2015 at 9:52 PM

Mary EmDee said...

Merryway-
Are they serious?! That is a new level of hate for me. Trying to (falsely) use psychiatry for hate.
I'm truly having trouble believing- actually I'm refusing to believe hate such as that really exists. WTH?

Nameless in LA said...

She backtracked after being called out by multiple posters, claiming she read too quickly and missed the "emotional illness" part.

merryway said...

That's some serious misreading.

PJ's momma said...

Apparently'agreeing to disagree', especially respectfully, is not allowed. Sad.

Farkle said...

OMG, the BL has serious mental issues, judging how one is born would not be in her favor. Someone who hates on line all day and has a fetish site must have been born with bad genes I guess. Wonder if her parents were cousins?

Twitter is alive, bashing Kate and TLC, who are making food boxes, yet not one of them moved from their chairs today to help anyone. How crappy of them. One even must have blown up the picture and was talking about a ring that Kate had on. Man, who has time to do that, oh ya, the ones who never donate to anything or work in a food bank, yet when they read other posts, all of a sudden they volunteer for something. Shady!

Sadie May said...

She actually said that. Oh, my hand is itching right now. Are we sure this is a younger woman? I remember Rosie O once saying that nobody chooses to be gay.Who would choose all that hate directed at them. You're born gay.End of story. What an Ignorant witch.

merryway said...

I guess I'm giving BL the benefit of the doubt because her reply was confusing. But, why didn't BL post the comment since she was agreeing with the person? I don't get it.

This is the weekend of Jon's big gig in Atlantic City. Why aren't they dogging him? Should we throw a dj pool party since that's what Jon is doing? I'll bring the snorkels and margaritas! (again, that is pure sarcasm) ;)

Oh look, Bl served sour grapes at her block party. I took a look at the instagram pics. There were more than 25 people attending. A lot lot more. It looked like a good time was had by all. I'm sure that just kills Bl.
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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 125

What a strange event.

It looked like a mix between a carnival, a political fundraiser, and one of those Hollywood autograph shows in a big convention center with D listers like Gerald McRaney and Rick Astley. Also it looked like maybe 25 people showed up, tops.
May 30, 2015 at 3:54 PM

merryway said...

Gerald McRaney is a D-Lister? Not in my book. I really really like him. I am thinking BL is not all that familiar with his work.

Farkle said...

I have to laugh out loud at the BL. She calls the get together a D-list event, but she is all over it. She gives these people so much free publicity. Priceless!

PJ's momma said...

Sorry, I meant over there, not over here.

I love Gerald McRaney too....and his wife!

merryway said...

I also like Delta. Yes, I would wait in a long line to meet either of them.

merryway said...

Not Rick Astley. He's sort of blah to me. Doesn't he have a huge fanbase? I thought so.

I meant Delta or Gerald would be worh waiting in line to see.

PJ's momma said...

Look up "Rick Roll" and you will see that yes, Rick does indeed have a fan base!

Nameless in LA said...

Add fashion to the extensive list of areas about which the BL is an expert. I'm sure Kate will breathe a heavy sigh of relief to have survived the critique relatively unscathed. Have we discovered any topic on which the BL does not feel qualified to give an expert opinion? I cannot imagine spending five seconds with her in real life without wanting to tape her mouth shut.
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The dress is perfect, the sandals could be a bit more casual, maybe flats, Gladiator style ones with lace or something. I wonder if Jeff helps her pick out her clothes now. Her legs and body type run very "solid," if she were a bodybuilder she'd bulk up in no time. Her body type reminds me of Jillian Michaels, just very firm and solid. It's a body type I've never thought looks good in heels. Being that solid gives the appearance you could snap the heel off just like that if you stepped wrong.

Fashion do!

Quiltart said...

I guess the BL can add blindness to her list of attributes, because Kate is very slim... Not "solid" at all like Jilliam Michaels.

PJ's momma said...
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Sadie May said...

Is there no end to Becky's talents?

PJ's momma said...

Sorry, that was me who removed my comment. Didn't want to sound argumentative. Kate looked nice on Saturday. We have the same body type, with long limbs and a straight trunk. We have no curves, just long everywhere and straight up and down. We took a pic at the beach last year and I said, "Are my arms really that long? I look like a gorilla!" My husband said it was the angle of the camera, but he sure didn't look like a gorilla. And if you see her bikini pics, her trunk is very straight, though narrow. No way would Kate bulk up like a body builder. Without steroids or an all protein diet or something extreme like that, it just can't happen with our body type. Jillian is not that bulky either and in normal clothes, looks slim with nice arms and legs.

PJ's momma said...

PS: I am very, very much a bargain shopper. But when I did splurge, it was on a few Michael Kors items at Nordstrom Rack or Marshalls over the years. And they were garbage! I bought a trench coat (worn almost year-round here) and every single button fell off immediately, on a trip and I had no way to sew them back on. There was a cute placket on the back, held on by buttons, and it was hanging by one button. There were not enough buttons to replace it so it's in the pocket now. The lining in one armpit came apart. (This was all on one trip.) I got a sweater and it unraveled, BADLY. The sleeve was about to fall off. I got a skirt and the hem fell out the first time I wore it. I bought pants and the button fell off and the seam was crooked. These items were way above my comfort zone. Just beware if you are thinking about looking at his normal clothing line. I bought Isaac Mizrahi years ago at Target, and it was well made. Michael Kors has been terrible in my experience. Yucky!

Quiltart said...

PJ's momma, I don't think you sounded argumentative at all! (I probably did, though!)
From what I've seen, Michael Kors has spread his empire very thin. The Nordstrom Rack near my office always has piles of his handbags, which makes me think they make them for the discount stores.

Nameless in LA said...

Is the BL for real? A normal mother in Norman Rockwell land speaks like this, not any "normal" mother I know. June Cleaver is alive and well in 2015 and living in the BL's head.
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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 14
I give her credit for not even trying to hide that she loves to just do nothing. For her that probably means get pampered and sit by the pool.

A normal mother would say that oh goodness the summer is going to be so busy! We've got summer camp lined up, a family trip to the lake, we're tearing down the old porch and building a new one, the kids will be having sleepovers every weekend, and summer soccer starts next week! I'm sure the kids will also be working on their summer projects for school, they're supposed to read a few books. Can't wait!

PJ's momma said...

Quiltart, you may be on to something. I live near a factory outlet mall and MK has a store there. All stuff made for any factory outlet is lesser quality. Maybe the MK stuff that falls apart is from the factory outlets. Or maybe people buy it and say 'never again' and there's a surplus. It's the most expensive stuff I ever got, and the worst made. And I buy a lot because it costs nothing. I'll wait until Gap outlet sends me a coupon, AND clearance is 50% off AND I take my bag I bought from them for another 10% off. (Sometimes they don't let me do that last discount, LOL.) Recently I got a pair of jeans, a pair of capris, four cute spring sweaters, a hoodie, t-shirt and a scarf, all on trend, for less than $50. I know the sweaters will pill more than the regular store sweaters, but who cares? They were less than $4 each! That's why the MK thing bugged me so much, especially that stupid coat!

I guess I would be a terrible mother. I love having nothing to do, because it means I got it all done, and don't have a porch that needs to be torn down.

Quiltart said...

LOL! I love a bargain, too!

Geeze.. I only had one kid -- he's long grown -- but it used to be exhausting to schedule his summer so that I could still go to work. I can't imagine doing that for eight! I'll bet the kids love having lazy time and unlimited outdoor and pool time.

When BL makes those ridiculous comments, she just proves that she's not a mom and is clueless when it comes to raising kids.

PJ's momma said...

Our summers were pretty unstructured. I grew up in the desert southwest and it's oppressively hot in summer. So if our mom had an extra couple of bucks, she sent us to the pool, which was 50 cents for the whole afternoon (after our chores were done). If not, we played in the kiddie pool in the yard, rode our bikes on 'the wilderness trail', went to our grandma's for snacks (she had Cokes!), went to friends' houses, etc. Our mom was pretty uninvolved, as long as we were home by supper. It was a different time for sure.

The Gosselin kids don't have to leave to go swimming....which is what so many kids enjoy doing all summer. Hopefully they do other stuff too. I don't even like Kate (she reminds me very much of my mom) but not everything she says or does is evil. Good grief.

Quiltart said...

Our summers were half and half. We did to go sleepaway camp when we were a little older and always visited our grandparents who lived 500 miles away, for a couple of weeks. For the most part, though, we had unstructured free time. We would spend the day at the neighborhood pool or play with friends. Sometimes there were city run arts and crafts programs at neighborhood parks. Our mom stayed at home, but she did not entertain us, and certainly didn't schedule our out-of-school time. We always entertained ourselves.

merryway said...

"A normal mother would say that oh goodness the summer is going to be so busy! We've got summer camp lined up, a family trip to the lake, we're tearing down the old porch and building a new one, the kids will be having sleepovers every weekend, and summer soccer starts next week! I'm sure the kids will also be working on their summer projects for school, they're supposed to read a few books. Can't wait!"

Love how BL writes a "normal" summer mom manual. The lady has no kids.

Nameless in LA said...

Merryway, Details, details. I'm currently writing the layman's guide to nuclear physics and I got through my college undergrad science requirement by taking paleontology and physical anthropology. The BL has inspired me to become an author as she has shown me that knowledge and experience are completely irrelevant. All it takes to be an "expert" is to proclaim yourself as one.

merryway said...

LMAO Nameless, I shall be your bleeple bowing to your excellence of nuclear physics.

Here's an interview with Jon. People seem to be having a good time at his big DJ pool party. Says he has a girlfriend. Wonder if it's the same woman he was talking about in the OK interview back in March. He's dying to do Celeb Apprentice. I thought the show as on it's last legs when Kate was on. That was the only time I ever watched.

Good grief, sounds like he's still thinking about running for State Representative.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/trending/DJ-Jon-Gosselins-20000-Atlantic-City-gig-appears-to-have-gone-well.html

Nameless in LA said...

Just don't try any of my experiments, Merryway. You've been warned. ;)

I saw that Jon interview. It did look like people were having fun -- he's an outgoing, personable guy so I can see him being good at the DJ thing. I've noticed that no one at the BL's has commented on "private citizen" Jon Gosselin BEGGING to be on Celebrity Apprentice! The only reason that Jon is on TV less frequently than Kate is because no one is hiring him.

Jon's world is not the same as normal people said...

So Jon does gigs after midnight, and his kids are with him? So who stayed with the kids? How can he afford the travel expense, food, etc., when he can't pay child support?

Jon in politics? OMG, can you imagine. ISIS and um were his answer. How about local issues first Jon like deadbeat Dads, education, taxes (which you were sued for), roads, bridges??

Street wise does not win CA, you have to have friends with lots of money to call to support your projects. Who would that be?

merryway said...

Someone at Bl's commented that Jon posted pics of the kids on his FB. It's two pics of kids playing in the sand. The praise has begun! If Kate had posted the pics, they would be livid.

Looks like Jon only had 4 of the younger kids. Bl wants to place Collin there, so she is in denial that it is Joel and Aaden.

Bl can't hold back her adoration of Jon being such a cool guy. Good grief.

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These kids must think their dad is so cool. He IS cool, he pulls it off the way he dresses, and he's DJing rad tunes to crowds of people. His cool factor is so much higher than Kate's whose only job is on some rather nerdy network. They look like they're having a blast at the beach. Including Collin.

She's tried so hard to turn them against him and eventually it failed. When it comes to teens and pre teens and "cool", that is a HUGE X factor she didn't plan for.
June 2, 2015 at 6:43 AM

Nameless in LA said...

BL wouldn't know cool if it hit her in the face. She is a rigid 80 year-old in a 30-something body. Confidential to BL: Using the expression "DJing rad tunes" does not make you cool.

Meanwhile, someone dared to question her decision not to allow a link to Jon's FB profile based on the ridiculous principle that the page is "personal" and got quite the stern lecture from Herr Administrator. We need to add "Facebook expert" to the ever-growing list.
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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 14
Jon made that page public..if it were truly private, no one but people he befriended would be allowed to see the pictures, and that is clearly not the case here.


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I didn't say it was private. I said it was personal. That said, some people don't realize how open their FBs are. My understanding is that private settings are not the default settings, and FB changes them around so much that people have gotten very confused. They've been blasted for how they've handled it. For instance, Jon may not realize that any PRIVATE photo that you click to make your "cover" photo is added to a public album FOREVER, and that there is no way to make it private again unless you DELETE IT. Did you know that? I bet not.

The page can easily be found if you really must see one photo of his children in which you can't even make out their faces.

In any case, please don't argue with me about blog policy. It's not something that is productive to debate.

PJ's momma said...

Well, if she was an expert, she'd know that you can view your profile as others see it, without logging out. It's right there in privacy features. And it works.

Nothing is productive to debate, but if you disagree with anything, count on a debate anyway!

Micha said...

BL sure does have a case of arrested development. She does not sound like a grown woman when she talks about Jon being a "cool" dad, like the "cool" factor is something that matters when you are a parent. Maybe if you're Jon it's more important than say, financially supporting your own kids, but I hope that a good parent wouldn't care if their children think they are "cool"

Nameless in LA said...

Micha, This is a woman who said that Kate doesn't want to admit she lives in Wernersville because it "sounds like wiener." Arrested development, indeed!

merryway said...

Bl just can't admit that Jon publicly posted a pic of his kids. I think Bl doesn't want the link put up because she'd have to admit it only shows four of the younger kids.

Nameless in LA said...

She's thinking about emailing him to "warn" him that the picture is public, because apparently he is too dense to realize that the COVER of your FB page is visible to anyone.

Quiltart said...
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Sage said...

https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.gosselin.7?fref=ts

bellefidele said...

How many ''Hum's'' did Jon say in that interview? And they talk about Kate.

Sadie May said...

Rad tunes? I haven't heard that word(Rad) used since the 90's.

merryway said...

Good grief, BL is still arguing and insisting that all 6 of the younger G kids were with Jon. It's so important to her.

Jon never ever said that he had all six. He said "kids." Once again, Bl is lying to prop up Jon.

Whenever Jon or Kate use the words "kids," Bl wants it to be all inclusive.

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Says you. I think it's impossible to tell. It's the beach. I'm sure there were hundreds of children there.


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You just said they were not in the photo. Now you admit well it's impossible to tell. So which is it? Are they not in the photo, or are you really just not sure? There may not necessarily be hundreds at the beach. Doesn't look that crowded to me. You must not live near a beach. I know several beaches that are quiet, where on any given day even during hot weather, you'll only find a few other families, or none at all, there. Check out the beach at 24800 Malibu Road if you're ever out here. Never anybody there, easy parking, short stairs down to it, beautiful.

Why are you arguing about this? Jon said he had all six, the two kids you think are missing from the photo (who are right there in the background running toward their siblings, doofus) weren't with Kate. WHAT?
June 2, 2015 at 4:04 PM

Farkle said...

Just so every knows being cool and doing rad things don't pay the bills for the kids. OMG, that is a 70's term, where has the chick been? Jon never said all 6 kids were there, he said kids. Wow, her bs spin is laughable. Her socks fighting with her is just entertainment for herself. No one is this dumb in real life, except a closet layer who is so in love with Kate that she has to talk about her 24 hours a day. I really think she thought Kate would pay attention to her, the joke is on the BL.

So Jon earned some serious bucks, bet the court bills and back taxes are waiting for him to produce his check to them. Sure is funny how Jon brags he has to work to pay bills, yet he owes everyone and pays no cs.

Nameless in LA said...

More lectures from the non-parent on how to be a parent. It's amazing how perfect a mother you can be when your children are imaginary.
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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 10

She makes things harder for herself anyway. Why on earth is she up at 5 am when the kids are not up until 6? She has all day the day before to get ready for the next day. They're not toddlers who need their clothes laid out for them and buttoned for them and their hair and teeth brushed for them.

It can't possibly take an hour to pack their lunches and make breakfast unless she's making Sunday brunch every morning.

Here's a thought. Do what you need to do the night BEFORE. Stock the fridge and pantry with plenty of healthy whole grain cereals and oatmeal, and have fresh fruit on hand like blueberries and strawberries they can sprinkle in their cereal. Then have your children, who are 11 and 14 years old, pour their own cereal and milk and start eating.

As for lunches, most lunches can be packed the night before. If you're worried about soggy bread, read the internet. There are plenty of ways to pack a lunch so it doesn't get soggy. Or heaven forbid these kids could start packing their own lunches. A well stocked kitchen makes things so much easier. If she wanted to, she doesn't have to wake up until it's time to hit the road. These kids are well old enough to get themselves ready without her help. Mommy never trailed behind us when I was 14 for gosh sakes. Goodness, I think it would have driven me nuts if she did!

Save the eggs and bacon and waffles breakfasts for the weekend. They don't need to be eating that heavy stuff anyway during the week. I can't have sympathy for someone who is purposely making their mornings ten times harder than it has to be.****************************************************

Micha said...

You know if Kate was doing it the way BL claims to think would make it easier on her that BL would be ranting about how the poor kids are being starved and deprived and forced to do for themselves and blah blah blah. BL is such a huge joke.

Quiltart said...

O.M.G. Jim Bob Duggar is an IDIOT! Are you all watching this interview?

PJ's momma said...

I can't watch. They all make me sick. I read that they are trotting out two of the victims too, and one of them has already been quoted in US Magazine. They are brainwashed. I hope their little empire goes down in flames. It needs to end! They are hypocrites of the highest order. They don't allow television in their home, but they are doing whatever they can to keep the TLC gravy train going so they don't lose the show that ends up in millions of other homes. They are gross.

Quiltart said...

They downplayed what Josh did... They blame the official who leaked the papers. Sick doesn't even begin to describe it! They also downplayed what KIND of therapy Josh did NOT get in Little Rock.

PJ's momma said...

That's SAD. What about the VICTIMS!!!??? The victims are their own children! Do they not care? It's just unbelievable.

stxmom@gmail .com said...

How does someone who doesn't have children tell everyone what "normal Moms" should be doing for children during the summer? How does she know what activities the G children are in during the summer? Isn't the point of summer break to take the time to refresh & recharge? My kids do not have every minute of summer scheduled, they are attending a few camps but they also have a lot of free time. I've never been the type of Mom who entertains her children 24/7. Kids need to use their imagination and be creative. I personally would never take parenting advice from someone with no experience parenting.

Farkle said...

Jim Bob is the problem here along with the nutty religion they stand behind. If you read up about Quvierfull, it is laced with so much disrespect against girls and women. It's time this church loses everything they have and a real investigation needs to begin. Women are required to perm their hair, cover their bodies, that's what attracts the men to them. They separate their kids now so this doesn't happen again. What the hell goes on with these people?

Fox gave them a platform to continue their lies and now the extended interview with the victims. WTH! This is not about being on the right or the left, this is about a cover up from a family that used their own agenda for their own gain. If they sue Ark, for releasing the file, maybe more is yet to come. Jim Bob needs money for his ego and untruth preaching, a scammer all along. Time to shut it all down, and hopefully TLC will not be involved with any of them anymore. Pay them off TLC, cut your loss, and move on. If they condone this on a family station, they will lose all support for advertising and they know it. imo

Farkle said...

One more thing----

Where the he%% was Josh Dugger? This was about him, he is a grown man, 27 year old still hiding behind the fake church? Going to work with Jim Bob is not therapy? The girls willing to an interview is just another ploy to keep the money train going all for the sleeze Jim Bob. Brainwashed and forgiving a perv so their funds are kept intact makes me puke. This happened 3 times before they did anything about it. What was the punishment, take him to the local popo, scare him that he would go to a juvy jail for sex offenders, what would happen to their reputation? They talked to other families about this, well those families are their church friends, they made it sound like worse things had happened in their families. Jim Bob sure opened his own can of worms and threw his church buddies under the bus.




rant over---- imo

PJ's momma said...

Jeezy creezy, no kidding! Where is Josh, defending himself? His mommy and daddy are defending him, his victims are defending him, his wife and sister's inlaws have defended him, politicians and clergy have defended him. And he says nothing! What a coward. I love how they say their family is being attacked, that there's an agenda to hurt them. Oh well, chickens do come home to roost, dummies! And Freedom of Information Act pertains to public records - you are not excused from that!

Puke said...

Jim Bob made sure it was known that they were talking to lawyers about the leaked records. Instead of digging into the real issue of molestation in their home, they blamed everybody else for their problem with their own son. I read somewhere, wish I could remember where, that this info was on a blog years ago, but no one followed up on it. With no proof behind it, hands were tied until now.

Using God, politics, religion and what ever else he can find for an excuse, this family needs serious help. I feel sorry for the girls, but they are exposing themselves for the backlash yet to come. They have a right to tell their story, but to save a creepy brother for profit for the family is disgusting in my book. They are good soldiers for the family, brainwashed in to thinking they can be used and abused by men. How sad for all the girls raised this way.

stxmom said...

I didn't watch the interview but one thing comes to mind after reading your responses:

Were the chaperoned dates to keep the girls from DOING something they shouldn't or to keep them from TELLING something they shouldn't ?

Quiltart said...

From the timeline last night, it sounds like Oprah's cancellation happened before the Ds had any connection to TLC. If that is the case, there is a good chance that TLC did NOT know about it when they first featured the family.

merryway said...

I didn't watch the interview. I might look for it online later on. I read a few articles. The parents really minimized Josh's actions. It doesn't jive with the police reports either. They still haven't accepted what their son did. If they were going to do an interview, they needed to be truthful about Josh's "curiosity." Ugh, Jim Bob and Michelle are ignorant.

One of their "solutions" was for the babysitting to fall on the girls.... well, I don't have words. Plus, it was always going to be the girls who did the majority of caretaking for their siblings. How about having the girls lock their door at night so they feel safe while sleeping? That seems pretty basic.

I am disappointed. I thought maybe they could explain they did the best they could and tried their hardest. But, they failed miserably in how they handled the situation. Josh had the problem and they failed him and failed his victims. Fail fail fail.

I don't think Jim Bob and Michelle should sue regarding the records being released. Just suck it up. It's not like they're doing it for the sake of the victims.

I am still thinking thing there is something wrong about releasing juvie records vs. FOI. I'm interested in what supercedes what. I don't think they should have been made the public.

Sadie May said...

Jim Bob won't allow Josh to talk.He might trip up and say the wrong thing.The girls will say what dad tells them to say. He rules that Family with an Iron fist. Did you see the way Michelle looked at him throughout the Interview? She looked drugged up to me.

Arabella said...

And they are still filming. A friend of mine is in the Gatlinburg area and they ran into some of the Duggar kids with a camera crew in tow. No parents but other adults were there.

Micha said...

The Duggars judged others, are they really surprised that people are judging them? They try to portray themselves as victims of the media. They are victims of their own arrogance.

Farkle said...

The records were released by a police chief who the Duggers said were out to get them. They said Josh had a brief encounter with her at some sort of rally? Who sent the report to Oprah? Was this the babysitter who was Josh's victim also?

From reading around someone said in the police report, it was not just touching through clothes. (CNN report) OMG, that Jim bob is a huge liar. I don't care who the creep sues, he will always be known for covering up molestation in his home. I didn't realize you couldn't play hide and seek with sibs, for fear of molestation.

They can spin, sue, praise their warped religion, but in the end, these children should have been removed when Josh came back into the home.

I doubt there will be any sponsors for their show, can it all and burn the whole saga. imo

Quiltart said...

Also, in the initial report, I thought Michelle said the girls came to her to tell her about what happened... How could they tell her if they were asleep and didn't know Josh did anything. I think last night's stories were full of holes. The description of the touching in the police reports were different that Jim Bob's description last night.

Farkle said...

merryway,

I would not want my kids to have to lock their doors at night in case of fire. My kids should feel safe in their own home. Josh must have learned this behavior from somewhere? Can you imagine what those kids have seen, they take care of their sibs all the time, yet Jim Bob sure has a lot of time for sex. He and Michelle kissed before marriage, bet there was hanky panky there also, he is so creepy, yet he side hugs his daughters, no dating without another person along, no kissing, and can't hold hands until they are engaged. What a stupid set of rules, when having 19 kids meant he had sex all the time, so those kids knew about the birds and bees at a early age.

As for records released, they say someone is out to get them. I would be more worried about what has happened to my daughters over the years than the rags. He blamed the tabloids for everything, but the police records were published, no way you can spin those JB. I felt sorry for the girls until I saw they were having an interview to protect their brand. That is twisted in my opinion. Is it Jill and hubby and new baby fleeing to do missionary work now?

Shady JB Dugger said...

Read In Touch Weekly, hmm, interesting what Jim Bob lied about.

Sage said...

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/duggar-interview-7-crucial-facts-they-didn-t-tell-you-the-cover-up-continues-59917?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=tweet&utm_campaign=socialshare

merryway said...

Farkle, I agree about the dangers of fire. The girls shouldn't have had to take any action towards feeling safe in their own home.
It's just that very little fell on Josh for his actions. The rules about babysitting, diaper changing and hide n seek did nothing to address the real problem.

Farkle said...

merryway,

How did Josh only molest the girls when sleeping, when it has been reported it happened in the laundry room and reading a book to one? Another strange comment Michelle said that the girls could only sit on their Daddy's lap. Ewww! Little kids want to sit on Grandpa's lap too, but that wasn't allowed? JB will never spin this, but it's time they move on, but this is far from over with the girls interview coming.


Thanks Sage for posting the link. :)

PJ's momma said...

That InTouch link...........just WOW.
If they truly follow the Bible, there's a whole of repenting that needs to happen, as they continue to spin, evade, and lie in order to deceive.

merryway said...

I know, you can't believe a word that comes out of Jim Bob or Michelle's mouth. It says so much that their focus is on minimizing what Josh did rather than what their girls went through.

I watched part or all if it online.

Sage said...

This is good.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3111528/Piers-Morgan-19-disgusting-things-learned-Duggars-TV-interview-counting.html

PJ's momma said...

Chew on points #8 and #13 in that Piers Morgan piece. Especially if you want to vomit.

I am sooooooooo glad they are being lambasted for the ridiculous, hypocritical spectacle they are making of themselves.

Farkle said...

If you are a 12 and 10 year old girls and didn't know this was wrong, you really need serious help in that family. This explains about their religion and the home school guide that they follow. They never taught their kids from a young age about sex abuse and that it was wrong. These girls should have stayed off TV, they have opened up a can of worms, their level of education shows that they were only taught some music and to be sub-servant to men. So a miracle happened in 3 months and Josh changed, he asked for forgiveness, but safe guards were put in place. Does this sound off? This sounds like he was never trusted around any of them.

Farkle said...

Rehearsed, looking away and down when they talk, their story does not add up to the police report at all. Deflection from the topic, it's time they move on and get off TV. They were not victims if they didn't know what molestation was, how sick is that? Locking doors when Josh came home, means that Jim Bob controlled the girls by locking them in their rooms.

They also said they told the police the whole story of what happened, but how could they tell a story if they didn't know what happened to them? A 5 year old molested on a couch that was reading a book with Josh means he was unsupervised with the girls. The lies are just too much. imo

Quiltart said...

This happened THREE different times over a course of a couple of years. Did Josh not "go away" until after the THIRD time? How many times did he inappropriately touch each of these girls? There are two many gaps in this story.

bellefidele said...

Is anybody bothered with the fact that the Duggars said it only happened for a few seconds? How to they know how long it lasted? Were they there?

And where the heck is Josh? Father, mother and sisters are defending HIM.

This story is getting worst by the interview.

Farkle said...

He was 14, almost 15, wth was going on in that house. I felt sorry for the victims that this info came out, but they defended him and were more worried about the media, TV show, etc then being molested. Those Q cards were so scripted with answers, they kept looking down when asked a question. Jim Bob paraded the victims out to throw them under the bus to deflect from what was really happening in their home. These girls need some serious reality of what molestation really is. No mention of their church family, hmm, Jim Bob talked how they had visited with their close friends about this, church members are their only connection to the outside world. Ugh, this was just too ugly and messy. 5 year olds being touched by a 15 year old is not normal, it's molestation. One spoke for the others, so it was ok for a 5 year to forgive and forget this happened? If the state cleared this family of charges, someone needs to be fired. imo

Josh is hiding said...

Josh is a coward, hiding behind the skirts of his victims. They said they didn't know what this was all about when told by parents, yet they told the whole story to the police. OMG, did Jim Bob tell them what to say to the police? This is so confusing, too many gaps and lies.

No mention of Anna or their children, shady.

stxmom said...

Duggars need to stop giving interviews but their family earns a living by being on TV (they claim to not watch TV). The more they speak out the worse it looks for JimBob & Michelle.

Quiltart said...

DId anyone catch one of the girls -- I can't tell them apart -- saying that publisher of In Touch Magazine are big porn publishers. What a stupid comment. I looked them up... They publish women's magazines like First, Woman's World and soap opera mags.. The stuff you see at the grocery checkout counter. Not exactly porn.

Nameless in LA said...

I was just about to comment on that, Quiltart! That just screamed "talking point." How in the world would she know that even if true? They were so obviously coached.

Farkle said...

If you read the legal papers, Jim Bob refused to produce Josh for a police requested interview. Jim Bob said he had lawyered up. 2 lawyers refused to take on his case. Why would he need a lawyer, all was forgiven? Standing behind the hillbilly religion is going to be their downfall. Christians do not molest their sibs and think this is normal or that it happens in 2/3 homes. Didn't one of the girls state that as a fact?

Also when Jim Bob said parents were not mandatory reporters, if you home school, yes you are required to. These freaks just make up the rules to fit a sick agenda, and the leader of this religion was sued for sexual charges against women. TLC knows now this will be the end of this family on TV and couldn't happen soon enough. Shut them down. Megayn Kelly was a poor reporter to do this interview, most Mom's could read between the bullchit. This is not a left or right issue, this is about the law and what Josh did to 5 victims. She lead them through the interview, they answered quickly and who laughs about being molested?

Questions said...

Are licensed therapist's mandated to report abuse? Who was the therapist who met with the family, was this a random church member?

Jesus turned the other cheek, I am a Christian, so I forgive Josh but not the tabloids, so was this the comment for a law suit to come. Jim Bob and Michelle would have to go before a real court of law. Bring it on Jim Bob!

Nameless in LA said...

Yes, licensed therapists are mandated reporters. The speculation is that the licensed counseling was required when child protective services became involved.

Duggers failed again said...

Pastoral counseling is not a licensed therapist. It's strange that Josh could touch his sisters and a babysitter, but couldn't hold hands when dating. This is bizarre.

In Touch did not out the girls name, the Duggers did this themselves. They thought a conservative station would protect them, the fall out for this family will be brutal. Don't use Christians and conservatives for an agenda.

PJ's momma said...

Sometimes pastoral counselors ARE licensed therapists (we have one in our church), BUT these people are so insular, I doubt that is true. To continue to their education to that level, to be 'out in the world' so much and then offer up their services as part of the church? Highly doubtful in this situation. HIGHLY doubtful! Especially because this whole family is in deep denial about what has happened and the consequences for the victims. If they'd had real counseling (and accountability), they would NOT be doing these interviews.

Our old church pastor's wife is now being marketed as a 'life coach' for $60/hour. She's never been to college. Everything about that church is money and marketing, but that one really bothers me. She IS very nice, but why does she have to get paid? And what if someone in desperate need of real counseling goes to her? She's not equipped to handle that. She could make things worse. If someone was suicidal, they could literally be pushed to the edge by the wrong person. They would need counseling from a LICENSED and very experienced therapist, and lots of it.

Glad I didn't watch, but thank you for filling in some gaps.

Eva said...

Maybe I missed this in your comments. I found this so sick when Jim Bob said after talking to other folks (church members?)he was told these things and even worse happened in their families
I felt like he was saying it was normal. I went back and I listened and Kelly just skipped right pasted that statement with no follow up.

Did anyone else think that was weird for him to say. What kind of a religion is this???

I thought they also tried to make it seem the 3 times he came and told them was the only time he touched the girls. I think it was many times in that span of time

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Sage said...

Eva, I found that disturbing too. In the interview with Jill and Jessa the comment was made that this also happens to 2/3 of all kids! I think it was Jessa who made that comment. What I take from those comments that this is somewhat 'normal'.

Farkle said...

Sage,

I posted her comment above about 2/3 families goes through this. Odd, that the only people they associate with is church members who have large families. All other life interactions have been set up by TLC. Jim Bob also added that he had talked to other church families and worse stuff had happened in their families. Jim Bob used Fox and Kelly for his personal agenda and it failed. The backlash has been brutal.

Did anyone notice the paper in one of the girls lap? Was this the questions and answers? Also in the original report that was posted, all names except Josh's was blacked out.

Quiltart said...

Eva, I think it was many times, too. Many more than reported. How long was it after the fact that Jim Bob took Josh to the State Trooper? That didn't happen right away if I remember correctly.

Sage said...

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/11-things-the-duggars-are-still-hiding-after-second-interview-60110

Eva said...

Quiltart,
This how I remember what JB said. The molestation happened in 2002 - 2003. Josh was 14-15yr's old. He was 18yrs old when they took him to the police 2006. That's 3yrs to report the crime and very convenient that now the statute has run out to charge & convict Josh of child abuse or the mom and Dad for not reporting the crime. I read they could have received up to 6yrs.
in jail. i also read they didn't get help for the girls until the police investigators demanded in 2006?? I read today they think there were 7 young girls molested not 5??

HELP FRANKLE!! IF ANY OF THIS IS WRONG PLEASE CORRECT.

Eva said...

Frakle,
If you forgive me for spelling your name wrong above, I will forgive you for saying the Duggar's Hillbilly religion--I live in Ky. LOL

Quiltart said...

Eva, It wouldn't surprise me if there were more than five, too. It's obvious they have lots to hide! In all this, there has not been one peep from Josh since the first day. He's hiding out...

merryway said...

Forgive the length of this post. I couldn't resist copying Bl's dogma that Dutch Wonderland must be condemned as as being too young for the G kids.

Lol, they don't even know if Kate was there. But, either way, BL just can't stand when someone doesn't agree with her.
Why do the bleeple let BL treat them this way?

xxxxx

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. But as a mom of littler kids (8.5, 6 and 3.5) I would hesitate to let them play in the lagoon area if there were a ton of older kids there.

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That's a really good point. If a park is generally known as a park for little kids, especially if there are water areas for them, it can be a little uncomfortable to have much bigger, stronger and at times rowdier teenagers playing next to your four year old. And a "dig" doesn't sound very teenager to me. More like kindergarten.

Let the little kids have their kiddie park. There are plenty of parks for older kids.

The ONLY reason they did this was so they could spend half the episode showing clips of their cute baby days, watch. Not because this was a park they might actually ENJOY.

I have also noticed in the past year TLC doesn't seem to want to film except on vacation. Nice convenient way to get around the child labor laws, which are much stricter if you're in school.
June 7, 2015 at 6:38 AM
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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 139

For a family of four, It would be a savings of more than a hundred dollars for the day, and for many families, that's a big chunk of change.

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The savings ain't worth a bunch of pouty teenagers who just want to be at "cool" Six Flags.

Been there done that.
June 7, 2015 at 4:17 PM
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PA Dutch Mom said... 148

The savings ain't worth a bunch of pouty teenagers who just want to be at "cool" Six Flags.

Been there done that.

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True. But here's the thing. Families come to Lancaster County to do the tourist thing. I would expect that some of them don't have the cash to lay out for the expensive parks, and if they are in this area for their vacation, they can do an afternoon of water attractions and roller coasters right here and not have to drive to Six Flags in New Jersey. They will stay right here in order to save money on admission prices and gas for an out-of-the-way trip.

If you don't have the money to spend at the larger parks, then places such as Dutch Wonderland would be an acceptable option, and older kids can pout all they want.
June 7, 2015 at 5:01 PM
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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 154

But Kate is rich. She is not a family with no money to go to a more expensive theme park geared toward older kids. TLC is probably paying for it anyway, and a network with that kind of money is not going to be worried about the difference between a 20 buck ticket and a 60, that's pennies to their budget.

I don't know why it's so hard to accept the obvious, they are filming there not because it's a great place for teens, but so they can do another stupid episode where 1/2 of the time they just show old clips of babies. Just watch. It also could be that it was quick and easy to get filming permits for a quick turnaround. It would be harder at a larger corporation like Hershey Park.
June 7, 2015 at 6:17 PM

bellefidele said...

I wonder what would happen if one of the Duggar girls is unable to have children. Their whole married life is centered on procreating. How would they value their life?

Farkle said...

Eva,

So sorry, no dig at anyone, just that religion is so backwards. :)

The story is just so mixed up, every report is so different, you would need a spread sheet to figure out exactly how it all went down. I am surprised they even took him to the police, did he continue this after he was sent away and then came back? Just asking?

Nameless in LA said...

Ha, Merryway, I've been reading her diatribes about Dutch Wonderland and laughing. She is getting testy because a few of her minions have dared to form thoughts of their own that don't align with hers. She needs to take some lessons from JimBob and get her bleeple back under her thumb. So far no one in his flock has failed to regurgitate the company line.

I will never understand why they put up with being treated the way she treats them. Boggles my mind.

Quiltart said...

Interesting article in The Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/to-get-the-josh-duggar-story-intouch-utilized-solid-investigative-journalism/2015/06/07/f4dabc4a-0bbe-11e5-95fd-d580f1c5d44e_story.html

Eva said...

Quiltart,

Sorry about this--I think I gave you the wrong timeline on the Duggars. I just read in the Washington Post article that JB did take Josh 16mos after Josh came to them the first time that he had molested his sisters, in 2003. That State Trooper reported it to no one.

I need to be careful where I get my info.

Quiltart said...

Eva, No need to apologize. There are so many stories flying around. In the end, they still WAITED to take Josh in.

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Sadie May said...

BL is getting testy with her posters. She can't stand that they have opinions of their own and they're voicing them.Good for them. She'll always have her butt kissers of course.Keep standing up for yourselves.

merryway said...

More lies from BL's. This is what makes them so awful. They lie and lie. They're not interested in the truth or the welfare of the G kids. They just want to hate.
Courtesy of RWA, It was a fake screenshot of Kate telling Mad British Guy to take down a hater. Kate even tweeted it was fake. It didn't even have a date. It was nothing but a photoshop. Yet, BL still perpetuates that it's real.
Bl can come up with a thousand stupid reasons and excuses for Jon being evicted, Jon having a $1 million judgment against him, Jon not paying child support, etc. etc. But, with Kate, she wants the lies and hate to keep going or she wouldn't have a blog.

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Lanc Native said... 109

That's simply not what she's ever done. She only wants to be able to do it to her own family, and hasn't tried to interfere with what others do. There's nothing hypocritical about that.

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But didn't she "hire" some kid to take down the haters, out them, and make their lives miserable? I would think that doing that would be interfering in another person's life, not to the extent for which the Duggars are guilty, but she was involved with BV and his minions.
June 10, 2015 at 5:43 PM

merryway said...

Oops, I copied the wrong comment. Meant to copy Bl's response below.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 111


But didn't she "hire" some kid to take down the haters, out them, and make their lives miserable? I would think that doing that would be interfering in another person's life, not to the extent for which the Duggars are guilty, but she was involved with BV and his minions.

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I just don't think that can even remotely be compared to the way the Duggars have tried to bring down the gay community and try to set the agenda on some very important social issues by using their fame and political influence. Kate had a brief run in with BV and encouraged a little outing of a few folks, and then she stopped and never brought it up ever again. It's not her fault the fans continued it to this day. She's small potatoes.
June 10, 2015 at 6:12 PM

Nameless in LA said...

Of course in true narcissist fashion, the BL remembers ROL reporting about threats to out HER. I believe that ROL talked generally about BV outing anti-Kate people, not specifically about the BL. In her rewriting of history, it was all about her. I'm not in any way pro-outing, but when she chose to become the mouth piece for Jon Gosselin she really lost the right to whine about being a "private figure."

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 68

I don't have much memory of that either. I do vaguely remember a little outing on Radar online and I do very much remember them reporting about the threats from BV to out me (but radar did not actually out me, just reported that BV wanted to). I also remember emailing Radar to complain as a private figure, and as I recall, getting a very polite and understanding response back.

merryway said...

BL refuses to show a link to Jon's very public facebook page. She wanted to email and warn him since he couln't possibly know that pics of his kids are visible to the world. Yet, Bl allows speculation on who and where Milo is and all the many posts that want Milo outed.

Bl considers Jon her special little snowflake. She will leap to his protection and defense at the slightest hint of anything derogatory.

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Virginia Pen Mom said... 136

PA Dutch Mom said... 109

Milo tweeted that they are having bad storms and hail. I was listening to the national weather reports and Atlanta is under the gun right now.

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Good catch, PA Dutch Mom!

Once Milo said a tornado had gone through her area. The only tornado in the US that day was in central Georgia near Macon (Bibb County). I don't think it was actually in Macon. I just noticed Macon being nearby.

On Tuesday, heavy storms with wind, rain, and hail struck Georgia "south of I-20, including parts of Coweta and Fayette counties, south Atlanta, and Rockdale, Clayton and Henry counties."

Milo is also a huge Atlanta fan. Can't you imagine her being the obnoxious home team fan, the one who grates on everyone's nerves? Even other Atlanta fans? lol.

I know that once someone said Milo lived in Kentucky or Tennessee (can't remember which), but I propose that the mysterious Milo lives in North Central or Northwestern Georgia between Macon and Atlanta, but closer to Atlanta.

And yes, I AM trying to avoid my real work. : )
June 11, 2015 at 6:45 AM

merryway said...

Nameless, I don't remember a thing about BL being published on ROL. They did an article on EmeraldCityJazz and one on that photoshop of Kate being stabbed with a spear. I do believe Bl is disremembering and making it all about her.

Quiltart said...

BL was mentioned as a lawyer who runs a hate blog in some of BV's original posts.

Outing People is so 2012 said...

Those people at BLs talk about the fans outing people and stalking people but apparently are blind to their own behavior.

Anyway, Milo aka Fired Up for Kate, has mentioned on the blogs in the past where she was from. I am not going to say it here but good grief those women need to give it a rest.

Quiltart said...

Not sure if that applied to any magazine articles, but I'm quite sure she was mentioned, but not named, in several online articles at the time.

Quiltart said...

She is mentioned, albeit not by name, in this article:
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/04/kate-gosselin-lawsuit-bullying-people-joining/

Anonymous said...

Funny that BL considers Jon a private person when Jon does not. When asked in the Whitney Ullman interview (philly.com) about the things that's misunderstood about him, he says that he cheated on Kate as he never would do that. He says in part that tabloids build on fodder and that's just the way it goes. Jon also said "That's the business we enter into as public figures". That's said around the 2:37mark.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/trending/DJ-Jon-Gosselins-20000-Atlantic-City-gig-appears-to-have-gone-well.html

merryway said...

Thanks for the memory jog Quilt. I remember BV giving her a hard time but not the mention at ROL.

Lol, Bl apologized for the video she made of the G kids to the True Grit trailer. Mady was supposed to be hunting down Kate for the death of Jon. Bl is such a twisted individual.

Farkle said...

I'm calling out the BL to post proof from Kate that she hired some kids? She knows good and well, it never happened.

As for her outing, she did it herself, remember her calling or posting on a show about student debt, she having a hate blog against an innocent family, put her big azz in front of Kate at a book signing to draw attention to herself? Blew her mouth all over social media that she was going to get Kate at the signing? I'm sure Steve and Co checked her out, probably blew her off, lonely old lawyer with no family, no friends, C graduate of college, so she was nothing to Kate or have to be worried about. Today, she is still the same, she got no further with her hate agenda, (few posters), Jon ignores her, and the cubicle circles her everyday. One positive was that she cleaned up her fetish site, although she is still a exploiter. imo

no one cares Milli said...

. But I do know a lot about working hard, earning my own money based on my education, skills and hard work, and not relying on others to continue to give me a cushy ride in life.


Uh huh. Hey Milli? You can come on down from your cross now. Does your arm hurt from patting yourself on the back. What a sacrifice! You're an absolute HERO!

If I rolled my eyes any harder, they'd fall out.

no one cares but thx 4 the laughs! said...

MARTYR MILLICENT says...
Having a baby shouldn't be some competition to see who can be the crunchiest about it.



This is rich. LOL After nailing herself to the cross and proclaiming she's the bestest, hardest working-est woman in all the land(!), she then says 'oh by the way, it's not a competition'.

Freaking MARTYR MILLICENT. Bwahahahahaha!

Sadie May said...

I can't believe they're going on about Kate and the fake DM to MadBritishGuy. This "kid" was suppose to be this computer savvy hacker and he didn't know how to do a simple screen capture? The Twitter hags fell for and take it as the Gospel. Just like Kate copy writing her Journal.She did that on the advice of her lawyer. Just because she did that doesn't mean that Hoffman didn't alter it beforehand.

Quiltart said...

Whether Kate copyrighted her journal or not, what the haters can't accept is that Hoffman's book is HIS interpretation of Kate's journal and life. He had no proof of anything.

Micha said...

People other than "haters" have read that journal and obviously do not interpret it the way they do. The haters are waiting for Kate's downfall based on a book that was released how many years ago? Clearly it's not happening.

Quiltart said...

Any normal person that reads the journal, sees the words of a over stressed, tired mom of six babies and two little ones. Swatting a baby's bottom is not a crime. As far as the animal abuse, Jon was still living in the apartment at the house and he could have cared for the dogs, too. Kate wasn't running around partying, she was out making appearances and supporting her family. I'm so sick of the lies they continue to fabricate about this stupid book. Main stream media didn't pick it up because they took it for what it was worth... nothing! Hoffman had an ax to grind and he thought the stolen journal was his ticket. He was wrong.

Nameless in LA said...

Funny, I've never given one second's thought to Michelle Duggar's insides.

Freaks.

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Some women's parts just spring back into place like a Memory Foam bed, while others drag on the ground like a third leg that needs a shoe.

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Memory foam bed lol.

I picture her insides sort of like Grandma's famous Thanksgiving jello with marshmallows and little bits of pineapple inside. A sight to behold, almost holy, and oh that plethora of textures.

PJ's momma said...

I actually HAVE wondered about that Duggar thing's insides! I never had a kid at all and often go HAHAHAHA or ka-CHOO and then OOPS and DAMMIT! So I confess that I have wondered how someone whose parts have had so much use does in those situations. Haha! Oops!

Nameless in LA said...

Ha, but that's a little different than the, um, "elaborate visual" that the BL concocted in her head.

PJ's momma said...

You're right. My cousin had a prolapsed uterus after having and raising four kids. Don't EVER look that up! I didn't understand what it was and it was a real visual that I will never forget. WHY did I look it up? Ugh. No laughing on that one.......my bladder was safe. How on earth can a uterus like Duggar's take so much abuse and not end up like that? Blech.

Nameless in LA said...

I will not Google. I volunteer with a cat rescue and have seen a kitten's prolapsed anus up close and in person. That's enough of a visual for me!

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merryway said...

BL is doing her usual lecturing on Kate's failings. But, Kate did not say "we, are celebrating my big 40 in Mexico and that maybe it was not a good idea to take the kids there." Bl's is lying once again. The kids are shown gocarting through the mud and Kate's voice over says "Why did I think this was a good idea?"

Lol, Bl thinks they went on a TLC trip and Kate planned nothing for the kids.

Bl's such a sweetheart to call the G kids "annoying."

xxxxxx

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 43

Well, I finely got to see a commercial for K8. The first thing that comes out of Kates mouth is that we, are celebrating my big 40 in Mexico and that maybe it was not a good idea to take the kids there. Kate makes it sound like her kids are the most terrible children to travel with.

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That is exactly the sort of comment she often makes that rubs me the wrong way. It makes her sound so ungrateful. How many people would love to travel with the whole family on such a special occasion and have somebody else pay for it? They've been on several trips just in the past 12 months, and this is yet another one. And, if the kids are acting up, chances are it's due to your own laziness not making sure the trip has adequate things to entertain them, or they have enough to do to keep themselves entertained. I doubt she planned a darn thing for those kids and just expected them to veg out by the pool the whole time while she got pampered. Eventually even the pool gets boring.

Second of all, poor you, you're a multi millionaire with annoying kids. So go hire a nanny to deal with them like everybody else and STFU.
June 12, 2015 at 8:54 PM

Eva said...

Milo posted after the first special some time ago that Kate was now in the credits as producer?? Does that now mean she can edit what is said and only what she wants us to see?? I did read Steve has been edited out of the special coming soon.

Nameless in LA said...

Once again, the BL jumps on someone who has the audacity to disagree with her. Of course, the usual minions Tucker's Mom and Millicent the Martyr jumped on the bandwagon. Sue Buddy eventually gave in and offered a simpering apology. I guess it's much better to be spineless than to be unwelcome at the "Veranda."

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 121
I don't think I'd ever compare Honey Boo Boo to Shirley Temple.

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Sigh Sue. Everything's an argument. I don't get it.

I *wasn't* comparing her to Shirley Temple. I was merely using a common metaphor which represents the moment in a cute child's life where they are no longer cute (by a tv executive's standards) or marketable.

I am by no means the first to use the "Shirley Temple" metaphor, and it does not just apply to HBB.
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Sue_Buddy said... 123
No, Admin, "everything" is not an argument. I may seem contrary at times. but I speak my mind, and if that's seen as an argument, so be it. Personally, I don't see taking an opposite point of view as an argument.

Farkle said...

Eve,

Most shows Steve was in the background, sometimes you never saw him at all. Steve runs a security company, he works for others in the biz, he is not filmed with them either. If Kate is a producer or whatever for the show, hopefully she was paid extra for her work. I think Kate would be great behind the scene for a spot on another project, the BL would freak, it can pay well. As for editing anything, most shows edit out lots!

I dare her (LOL) said...

Awww, Sue took on the BL, either you agree with her or you are booted. Maybe Sue should write her famous blog about how well the BL treated her, now that would be worth reading. I'm sure it would be all warm and fuzzy, as Sue loves to gloat just like the BL does. :) imo

Eva said...

Farkle,

The reason I ask if Kate could now edit what we see-- I saw her more than once on National TV state nothing is edited out of their show that what you see is the real deal. To be honest, I think that was one of the reasons I watched ( I loved watching the kids) but wanted to see if Kate would make a fool out of herself again. The RV trip showed her acting terrible. You would think, if she was allowed to edit some of those scenes would never have been seen of her. I really do think without the Kate drama we will see the ratings fall.

Arabella said...

If nothing was edited out of their show it would be a very long show! LOL. That makes no sense, Eva. Thankfully, TV shows are condensed, or edited, so we don't have to sit through the minutiae.

Arabella said...

And in my opinion, Kate's behavior has not changed. I haven't noticed she's gotten worse. She's uptight and nervous. I dont think she comes across as a fun gal. But who knows what's been edited for time. And it makes good TV to stick her in situations where she would be uncomfortable. Her kids, all 8 of them, seem to love her so who cares what I think anyway.

Eva said...

Arabells,

I really am not that dumb !!!! I know all shows are edited to fit the time slot. I think you
Know what I was saying, so I will shut up. LOL

Quiltart said...

A show can be edited and still be realistic. No "reality" show is unedited.

Micha said...

Kate's response to Milo's question was that she's always been a producer - here's the tweet:

Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8 · Feb 11
@MiloandJack I've always been a producer... Maybe it just finally changed on credits? I didn't notice lol

I think Kate's attitude has always been (right from the very first episode) that she is who she is, she's going to do what she's going to do and doesn't really care what anybody has to say about how she behaves.

PJ's momma said...

"Reality" can be quite scripted though. I love Who Do You Think You Are. I was watching the Melissa Etheridge episode, and she was so excited with the help she got from one historian, she said, "I need to hug you!" So she did. Only she had on white protective gloves when she went in for the hug and bare hands when she came away. I thought, "Damn. They did another take for THAT?" Good grief. So much for 'reality!'

Arabella said...

I don't remember Steve ever being hidden. He's in a lot of episodes. The episodes don't revolve around him so he's not center screen, but he's there. I never got the impression Kate or anyone in production was trying to make it appear like he didn't exist or wasn't there. Also, some people seem to think reality TV is the same as hidden TV.

Farkle said...

The peeps who want the G's story to involve Steve and his family are still spreading the rumors about Steve and Kate. Did you know it's Kate's bodyguard that gave security to the Duggers in DC. Steve has a company, he works for many people, and he is not exclusive to Kate or her family. I think now that the kids are older, a helper could go with Kate and everyone would be fine. When the kids were little, it was nice to see them ALL have protection. Those crazy haters were scary.

Maybe if Kate helps edit (I don't know if this is true), she takes the backlash from the haters, so her kids don't. Just a thought------.

Quiltart said...

How hard is it for the bleeple to accept the fact that not just the G's get freebies... Most all celebrities do! It's part of the game.

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Math Girl said... 194
I was just reading the mags at the checkout counter. In Touch has a big cover story on the Duggars, as expected. OK had a cover blurb and a 2-page story about how the Duggars get things (everything) for free.

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This could have been written about the Gosselins:

http://okmagazine.com/photos/duggar-family-freebies-tv-show-19-kids-counting-future-free/photo/1001267531/
June 17, 2015 at 5:49 AM

PJ's momma said...

It's not just celebrities. It's industries too. Hubby had to go to some 2-day thing at Microsoft campus and everyone was given a Surface tablet and Windows phone to use during the symposium (or whatever it was). They had the agendas, slideshows, etc., on them, and the were getting texts and emails to the preloaded devices. At the end, they were told to keep them. I said, "Why? All you guys are all techies and have all this stuff." It's just how things are done sometimes. Celebrities are good advertising for a lot of companies.

Quiltart said...

PJ's mom, you are absolutely right about that! Lucky for your DH!

PJ's momma said...

Well, I disagree with it in general, for industry OR celebs. Nobody at this Microsoft event needed this stuff. They all have phones for sure. And most likely, tablets too. Donate them to schools or senior citizens on fixed incomes or something. We considered that - but it wasn't loaded with Office,so there's not a lot of capability on it. And we didn't want to buy that package for one tablet. We do use it for surfing and that's about it. Frankly, we would never recommend either device to anyone. I type very fast and jam up the tablet constantly and the phone's not great either.

But a lot of kids like the G kids and would maybe buy clothes for their own kids based on what they saw on TV. Same with Little People or whatever. But these families don't need more iPods or free food or detergent and such. They can afford to buy their own. I have never seen a product placement and thought, "I should buy that Tide!" The ads are more effective for that, IMO, especially if they do feature a celeb (for those motivated by celebs).

I guess I just don't like that people who can afford to buy whatever they want are the ones who are rewarded (including people in my husband's industry), especially if they don't even need what's being given, but I do understand the logic behind it.

Arabella said...

How hard is it to accept the fact that the Gosselins and other celebs aren't given free stuff because they are in need? They are given free stuff for the publicity. The giver is happy with the trade off so what's the problem??

Arabella said...

I bought a bag once that I saw Kim Kardashian carrying. Not because I like KK, but I liked the bag. If she wouldn't have been photographed with it I probably wouldn't have ever seen it. So the publicity worked in my case. And I doubt she bought it. I don't begrudge her getting it for free. What someone else has really has nothing to do with me. . .

PJ's momma said...

Arabella, I understand. I just have a different opinion. I know people who get a lot of top-notch stuff for free, or meals, or wine, simply because of their position or status. They sort of expect it. But I work at a food bank and also with homeless and see real and deep needs every day. That's probably why it bothers me. People who NEED food for their children, who have shut off notices for utilities, or eviction notices, an inch away from homelessness, and rich people are getting free bags. For me, it just doesn't compute. But as I said, I understand the logic. You bought the bag - it works! BTW, I saw Kim K in NYC once. We were near Rockefeller and an Escalade drove up and the guy said, "Here, Kim." We looked and it was her. He hustled her into a hotel. She is TINY. I mean, itty bitty, no bigger than a pop tart TINY. She had huge heels on and looked about 5 feet tall at most. Very pretty too.

Arabella said...

I guess I don't see what one has to do with the other. When goods are traded for publicity it has absolutely nothing to do with the poor or homeless. Giving the stuff to them would not help their situation. And it would not benefit the company to do it. They need that publicity to push their product or they could be the next one homeless. You sound generous, PJ. And there is no negative to that quality.

PJ's momma said...

Yes, that's commerce. I get it. I just have a hard time wrapping my head around it. I know someone who got a Birkin bag from her husband - $30,000 for a handbag. She was recently wearing this Louis Vuitton scarf. http://us.louisvuitton.com/eng-us/products/monogram-shawl-001054

Obviously they are wealthy, this is not hurting them. But wowee, could that money ever help a lot of people. BUT, buying goods also keeps people employed and that's a good thing. No way does it cost Hermes or Louis Vuitton more than a tiny fraction of the price to make these goods (so they are not really giving away that much), and if people are willing to pay, so be it.

Charity and commerce are both necessary to keep the world going around.

merryway said...

Giving away freebies for publiicty doesn't also exclude a coorporation from supporting charity and community.
Charity and publicity are usually both part of the budget. Both are good for business.

PJ's momma said...

Fingers crossed, merryway!

Microsoft is local and they are known for global initiatives, but they do a LOT locally too. They gave us a grant for our new food bank building. They do a lot for schools as well. And other stuff all around the country

Amazon does Amazon Smiles charity. My husband's company has matching donations, but they make you jump through hoops to get it. Lots of companies do matching donations, including Boeing. (These are only local ones, I know MANY do it nationwide.)

All good stuff.

Quiltart said...

ACK.... The bleeple are dissecting eight year old episodes of J&K to prove how fat Kate was and how cruel she was the kiddies. Yep. Eight years!

Bleeple, GETTA LIFE!

PJ's momma said...

WHAT? Kate was never fat. Never. I went and looked - REDBIRD wants to call a little bump love handles? Wowee, I will refrain from saying what I know, but she is the last person who should be calling someone out for that. WOW.

Quiltart said...

LOL re Redbird. I think I've heard the same thing...

Quiltart said...

10 minute preview of the upcoming special:
http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/kate-plus-8/big-four-oh-sneak-peek/

To read the bleeples' comments, you would think they were watching a different show. None of them have a sense of humor whatsoever.

Sage said...

Just was reading over there, Quiltart. I cannot believe they watched the same clip. Lots of love in that house.

Quiltart said...

I could not believe that one of those witches asked who the sponsors were . Couldn't wait to start her hate campaign.

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PJ's momma said...

Sorry, deleted my previous comment, because I wanted to amend it and couldn't.
I think the kids get along with each other like any family who has a lot of kids (we were the Bickersons, but we actually did get along fine), but I do wonder why a couple of the girls got so upset when they thought they weren't going. Especially after one said, 'she never spends any time with us, she's like bye, I'm leaving' (or something like that) and then Kate said her attempt fell flat and Mady said twice (after running after one girl who fled crying) that it wasn't the kids, it's her. Who knows. The kids got to go. I'm glad they did. We went there many years ago and to see those ancient Mayan ruins is magical and educational and the beaches are beautiful too.

Also deleted the part about redbird. She's not worth it.

Sage said...

PJ, I found nothing wrong with your comment about Redbird. I deleted the comments from 'Mel' because she wrote Redbirds real name.

I don't allow full real names here even if they are known among the bloggers.

I find Redbird to be a bitter hateful woman for whatever reason.

merryway said...

What is Bl talking about? Kate takes the kids with her to Mexico. She said she couldn't bare to go without them (para).
Also, lol, lol and good grief. According to Bl, parents are never to go out if their child wants them at home. Truly spoken by one who has no children.

xxxxx

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I really feel the girls that broke down in tears is not from entitlement. It was raw emotion from being told that Mommy is leaving for several days. One girl said that she wanted to wake up in the morning and see HER there. This proves she leaves those kids constantly for days on end. Gosh, my heart just sunk.

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We talked about this a couple weeks ago, about how her birthday plans were selfish.

I was criticizing her for not wanting to be with her kids and family on her birthday and going out clubbing instead and some drive by blasted me for it and said I should celebrate my birthday how I want to and let Kate celebrate hers how she wants to.

Now sure enough the kids THEMSELVES wanted family time. They didn't want her to go off. Just like they didn't last time.

If your kids are fine with it that's one thing but if your kids are making it clear to you they prefer you NOT leave them, grow up, be a mother, and stay with them or take them along. It's not like she HAD to leave them because her job drew her out of town or some other good reason. Good grief.
June 20, 2015 at 7:45 AM

Sage said...

Here is a prime example of Redbird's delusion.
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redbird has left a new comment on the post "The Duggar Interview: 11 things the Duggars are st...":

When she was sitting at the table talking about going on the trip, her eyes were just as good as rolled backed in her head in ecstasy thinking about spending DAYS on the beach, far, far away with Steve.

Oh, heck yeah. They got careless, someone took pictures and TLC bought the pictures and the negatives or the SIM card.

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