Monday, June 6, 2016

June Open Discussion


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Nameless in LA said...

No, Flimsy Flamsy...you aren't the only one. You can count on some of your fellow obsessed haters to do the same. Is there anything on the planet that doesn't remind these freaks of Kate?!?

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ncgirl said... 149
"Am I the only one who giggles a little every time I see a picture of a flag cake, remembering how TFW claimed it was hers?" [Flimsy Flamsy]

I saw one online recently and thought Kate should sue. lol

belle fidele said...

Happy Fourth of July every one!

Farkle said...

So please tell me when Jon had bodyguards when he was going through a divorce? He had some slugs hanging out with him in New York, who wanted their 5 minutes in the news if I remember. Jon sure lives with Kate in his head.

Where's the proof that TLC paid for Kate's share of the divorce? Show the docs Jon or sit down.

Hope flimsy made her family the flag cake so she could drool over Kate all day. LOL.

Quiltart said...

Farkle, Another thing I found interesting in that last interview is Jon saying he gave all his money to Kate. In previous interviews, he claimed he spent all his money on legal fees against TLC. Revisionist history much?

Farkle said...

Maybe Flimsy is looking for a queen in her life, seems she calls Kate that all the time. Flimsy is living in the dark ages, maybe a nursing home, people call each other everyday and don't post it on social media. LOL.

Farkle said...

Jon was being sued by his attorney's for unpaid legal bills, he didn't give his money to Kate, he spent it flying all over the country and Paris, wine, women, and song. Jon's OLD stories are out there, TLC was not responsible for his actions, neither was Kate.

NY apts are expensive, he used Hailey for money, until she found out he wasn't paying the rent. Jon was broke then.

Nameless in LA said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 12


If you click on the link @Kateplusmy8, it takes you right back to her twitter account.


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I'm laughing so hard my stomach hurts. She's so inept and half-ass at everything. Buzzes she is not. This is basic stuff and she just doesn't seem to be capable or doesn't want to be.

She is the adult equivalent of that kid who spent hours slightly narrowing the margins and looking up longer words to replace shorter words to make the book report stretch out and seem longer. Instead of just hunkering down and doing the work the right way. (In about the same amount of time if not less)

Kate will always be Kate. You can't take the Kate out of her.

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And Becky will always be Becky. You can't take the Beckspert out of her. Can you imagine what she was like as a kid? She had to have been the stereotype know-it-all dork. There's nothing wrong with being a dork, but a know-it-all dork? No thank you. I would be shocked if she had any friends.

merryway said...

Farkle, you are so right.
It's funny how the bleeps memory are wiped clean of the attorney who quit working for Jon during the divorce and how he had to file with the court to get paid.

Becks is a superior bully, laughing until her stomach hurts because she perceives Kate to have weak social media skills. Becks is having to scrape hard to dig at Kate.

Kate must be doing something right. Her IG followers are much more than Jon, double than what he has. No one works harder at being in the media than Jon. He gets contacted for a prom playlist and turns it into a full-on interview bashing Kate and talking custody matters (again).

Hope everyone had a safe and happy 4th. The rain almost ruined ours. But, last night, we saw excellent firweorks in beautiful weather.

Sage said...

Tucker's Mom has left a new comment on the post "Recap: Kate Plus 8 ''Blind Date": Realitytvkids.co...":

What a horrible legacy to leave for your children to know about.
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Wellllllllllllll...I think it started when she had a Playboy Playmate and well-known porn actress playing "Mommy" to her kids for a television show ;-)
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I think a far worse legacy is having their father masturbating for the camera.

Probably the haters dumping porn on her twitter.

merryway said...

Such a lack of self-awareness.
Four of the G kids don't visit with their dad, but it's all Kate's fault.
No one bashes and gossips about the G Kids better than Becks and her followers.

xxxxxxx

FlimsyFlamsy said... 55

James (#54), of course the fans will blame the child who speaks out.
And somehow Jon will be implicated in whispering bad things in their ears about their sainted mother.
July 6, 2016 at 4:02 PM

Micha said...

It's clear that these people have let hate into every part of their brain and just don't understand anything but hate and anger and blame. If any of the Gosselin kids spoke out in any way in the future (about their upbringing or visits to their father or not visiting their father) most people who aren't hateful will most likely only feel compassion for those kids, the same way we feel compassion for them now. If there is some ominous "truth" that's going to be revealed by any or all of the kids they will have every right to speak it if they want to - and no need to "blame" them for anything. The very idea of that comment is absurd yet completely typical of that group of angry, miserable people.

Anonymous said...

Is Austin like the male version of Emily, one of the Kate's followers? Because they're digging at him the same way they did with Emily. From what I've gathered from Kate's tweet, he must've been a fan for while and now he's getting the chance to finally meet her. So good for him. Why is that so bad?

-Kendall

Quiltart said...

Austin has been a fan for a long time. How great that he's going meet her!

Courtney said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...48


And I don't know why you feel the need to "explain" anything. Offer an opinion, but please don't "explain" to us. You are not the teacher and we are not idiots. 
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Apparently idiot enough not to realize why someone would point out an average size child felt close to his average sized mentor. 
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A poster called the Beckspert out for talking down to people and what does ole BL do? Apologize? Say she didn't intend to come across that way?
Nope. Good ole Becks calls the other poster an idiot. And instead of coming to the defense of a poster who flat out was called an idiot by their beloved leader, the regulars over there start accusing the poster of being a troll
For all they know, that poster could be one of them. Becks was playing her usual game of selecting one or two sentences to argue with.

Anonymous said...

"Blue lives"??? I'm done...

-Kendall

merryway said...

Bl never has any shame in sounding ridiculous when she defends her absurd attacks on Kate.
Does Bl chart all of the celebrities in the US, the world? Whether or not they have twitter, which ones do and don't tweet when there is a heartbreaking tragedy? Does she keep track of celeb statements by the ones who choose to tweet?
I guess the many many celebs that don't use twitter should immediately open a twitter account so they can be ready to tweet when a tragedy occurs. Because, you know... it stands out when they don't.
PS. They keep on ignoring that sainted Jon never bothered to tweet. But, I guess the world already knows since it stood out so much.

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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 108

There is no purpose to celebrities doing it either, but people like you have somehow determined that it's the socially acceptable thing to do.

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Sure there is. Twitter is a very different platform than a blog. Stop equating the two. Twitter is a global conversation, and it absolutely makes sense for celebrities to engage in the discussion. Usually most do. In fact it sticks out when they don't.
July 8, 2016 at 8:41 PM

Quiltart said...

Most do? Who is counting? What an idiotic and absurd thing to say!

Quiltart said...

Just out curiosity I did a search. It seems the BL's personal narcissist... her former employer... doesn't tweet...doesn't even have a Twitter page. What other celebrities don't tweet?

merryway said...

That stuck out to me.
Didn't it stick out for you?
Recheck your charts of celeb tweets during tragedy.
I can send you a copy of my spreadsheet.
:)

Quiltart said...

I guess the BL hasn't schooled her in how to be a celebrity.

Sage said...

Just want to let everyone know....I am a grandma again.

I have shared with you before that my daughter was expecting twins...well they made an early arrival. My daughter was due Oct. 20 and they were born July 6. They are very very tiny. One weighs 1 lb 9 oz and the huskier one weighs 1 lb 12 oz. They are in the NICU. They seem to be holding their own with one doing better than the other at this time.

They have cute little faces and we all are in love!

PJ's momma said...

Wowee, incredible news! Many congratulations to all and prayers for your wee ones!

Quiltart said...

Congratulation, Grandma Sage! You are all in my prayers. Boys, girls, or one of each?

Sage said...

They are both girls. Sadie and Adeline. Not identical, but they both have their mama's long legs. They are going to be long legged blondes. lol

Quiltart said...

love the names!

belle fidele said...

Congratulation Sage!

Sage said...

Thank you....

They are so precious and have stolen my heart!

Nameless in LA said...

Congrats, Sage and family! Sending lots of good thoughts. It's amazing what the NICU team can do for tiny babies these days.

Micha said...

Congratulations! Sending prayers and best wishes.

Francie said...

Congratulations! Praying for you all!

merryway said...

I also love their names.
Sage, I'm so happy for you and your family!
Been sending good thoughts your way.

Sage said...

Thank you!

The babies are doing well this morning. My daughter gets to first hold them today skin to skin. Up to now she has just been allowed to touch them and she can't wait to get them in her arms.

merryway said...

BL is suffering from sour grapes. She can't stand that Kate Coyne is an educated, professional and successful woman who has had good things to say about Kate G.

Kate C. has a written a memoir about her interviews with celebs in which she pokes fun herself as awkward fan.
Bl already jumped to conclusions in order to trash Kate C. Of all things, Bl called her a mean girl for making fun of fans. Can you believe it? LOL
It was pointed out to her that Kate C is referring to herself as the awkward fan. Of course, Bl just has to demean some more.
Sour sour grapes.
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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 173

So Kate is the super fan? How objective can your reporting be if you're some nutty fan? About as objective as a sheeple I'm guessing.
July 10, 2016 at 9:52 AM

merryway said...

So good to hear!!
Yay! It's holding the babies day!

Nameless in LA said...

Before realizing that Kate Coyne was writing about herself as a fan, the good ol' BL took her to task for being a "mean girl" and criticized her for profiting off of fans who are "young, or slow or missing something in their life." This from a woman who profited by marketing births by genital mutilation victims and teen mothers to men with birth fetishes. She has cajones of steel.
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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 166
I also noticed Coyne wrote a book about her various encounters with celebs and their fans. Granted I haven't read it but she frames it as awkward fan encounters, so I'm taking an educated guess it's about what she's observed hanging out with celebs.

Okay, I will make fun of Kate's fans with the best of them, but it seems rather mean girl to write down some of the encounters you've seen in actual book form then throw it on Amazon and make money off it. A lot of these fans are either young, or slow, or missing something in their life. It's one thing to informally tease and poke fun. Quite another to profit off it. There was nothing else she could write about?

PJ's momma said...

Ol' Redbird is having a conniption about the way Kate was acting in a video - even though she was acting JUST LIKE almost everyone else in the same video. Fierce expression and tossing aside a sign - just like the others did. The first sign said, "Proud of this Family" and the one she tossed said, "Fiercely protective." THE HORRORS!

Wow, Grandma Sage, that is absolutely amazing news about your daughter holding her daughters already. Our nephew was a preemie and was in isolation for weeks. But, a lot has changed. A friend's daughter had a micro-preemie like Sadie and Addie, and their experience is very similar to your family's. I so wish you could see that little girl now. She is the most determined and fearless little girl you'd ever meet! She starts kindergarten soon. In a few years, you'll be saying the same thing! I wish you knew this grandma; she could be a fount of knowledge and comfort for you. Maybe there's a way to connect you two, if you are interested. But I'm sure you are getting tons of advice and comfort and love right where you are too.

Mimi said...

Congratulations Sage! Prayers for your daughter and her sweet girls!

Sage said...

Nameless,

becks main audience was other women who like herself got off by watching it. really twisted. Makes one really wonder about her obsession with Kate and the kids. I think it is because Kate had multiple kids and that is a real turn on for her.

merryway said...

"She has cajones of steel."~Nameless

She sure does Nameless. Besides her freaky fetish site, she used to make me so mad going after the young fans of Kate. They bullied Paige to no end.

They gossip with wild assumptions and always indicate the fan is scary about to go psycho on Kate and the kids.

Puff said...

Oh, my! A new Grandmother to twins! Betcha you'll be one of the very best.

Quiltart said...

My, my! The BL has spoken. Don't dare oppose her!


Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 27

reer. Her choice, her big bucks she is earning. You simply don't care for her because she has supported Kate. I would expect entertainment writers that slam celebrities wouldn't do very well in their field.

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I don't expect entertainment writers to slam celebrities. I expect them to be objective. Entertainment Weekly is a good example of journalists being critical but evenhanded. Coyne however is firmly part of the group of butt kissing celebrity journalism that is much more about themselves and getting invited over for game night then actually providing the public with objective information. Any journalist like her is a waste of time.
July 11, 2016 at 7:26 AM

Nameless in LA said...

She is beyond ridiculous. It's People, for goodness sake. What "objective information" is she seeking about the critical issues of the day such as the state of Brad and Angelina's marriage? So much seriousness about something so silly.

Farkle said...

Congrats Sage!!! So glad Mommy gets to hold them! Love their names!

Missing in action as I had a family member in the hospital. Home and improving and enjoying the cooler temps.

Take care peeps!

Nameless in LA said...

The BL is so predictable. She put through part of a comment calling her out for her BS and in her typically delusional fashion, claimed that she is doing the poster "a courtesy" by posting only a portion of the comment. Yep, in her alternate universe rude, obnoxious behavior is "a courtesy." We all know that the only reason she published even part of that comment is so that her bleeple will rush to her defense. Such desperate need for ego gratification is pathetic.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 51

If you aren't going to post my entire comment, don't bother. Or pick and choose which to post. You are the biased one. And no, I am not a sheep. You just can't handle someone taking another stand than you. YOU are the narcissist.


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Your agenda is clearly to get under my skin. Why should I do you the courtesy of publishing anything much less your full comment when clearly, you are incapable of following rule 3? Allowing you to even have a discussion here when you are a troll is my courtesy to you. Even your name I've never seen before until the past few weeks, so I don't even know who you are, certainly not a regular or if you are you're constantly changing names which isn't allowed either, and I think you're changing names to suit your purpose and trying to further use your name to get under my skin. You know exactly what you are doing and the playing dumb and innocent "I just want my comment published that's all and you won't because you're a narcissist" schtick is not getting past me for one second. Try something else.

sadiemay said...

Just chiming in a Congrats to sage & her new grandbabies! Beautiful names too. Sending good vibes to them both.

merryway said...

Bl is still trying to argue that her dislike of Kate Coyne has nothing to do with Coyne's relationship with Kate G.
Just own it BL, your denial reeks.
Coyne is a Oxford grad, I'm pretty sure she can achieve whatever type of journalism to which she aspires.

Bl doesn't wail against all tabloids and tabloid reporters. She doesn't protest all light-hearted journalism. It's only when Coyne's name appears that BL wants the world to be full of hard-hitting reporting.

The funniest thing was how they were going on that Coyne is not objective because of her "friendship" with Kate. All the while ignoring that RH and Jon were bestest of the best buddies. But, I guess that didn't make him biased. :)
xxxxx

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 72

... This is the kind of journalism Kate Coyne will never, ever be capable of and we are worse off for it. In the world of journalism, she is a waste of space. THIS is why I don't like Kate Coyne, get it troll?...
July 12, 2016 at 7:58 PM

Quiltart said...

Good point, Merry. They considered RH's trashcan attempt of a book to be excellent, though his main source, besides the trashcan and the hate blogs, was Jon. Nothing wrong with that in BL's book. She just shows herself to be highly biased against ANYONE who writes anything positive about Kate!

Nameless in LA said...

They are in major pearl clutch mode again over there.

Straight up to the crotch?!? Hardly. I think the BL is fantasizing again.

I'm pretty sure most of us threw up more than a little in our mouths when we saw her birth fetish site and requests for "more graphic" videos to share with her freak subscribers.

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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 126


Oh I don't have a problem with the length of her shorts. It was the angle of the shot, taken down low and straight up to the crotch.

And then when Milo said the money shot, I threw up a little in my mouth.

She's just so inept, not realizing how unflattering the shots were and allowing them to be posted.

Quiltart said...

It's amazing that the bleeps don't realize that they have created an entire fantasy life that Kate lives that Kate doesn't even know about. They honestly and truly think they know her and everything she does...

Quiltart said...

P.S. I'd love to see shots of them in shorts!

Nameless in LA said...

TLC stinks said... 149
Sorry, 4rmine. It's definitely a metal dog crate. The only way I could see it was to take off my glasses and get my nose up to the iPad.

So it begs the question, if the deck has a dog gate, why is a dog crate on the deck?
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That's not the question that this begs. The question is WHY on earth are you so obsessed with what is on Kate Gosselin's desk that you needed to remove your glasses and press your nose up to the iPad for further examination.

Anonymous said...

Sorry I'm late but CONGRATS SAGE!!! So happy for you!!!

-Kendall

merryway said...

I do not understand why Bl's posters put up with her bs. Because she had one of her need-to-be right hissies over gun control, they ended discussions on the subject. But Bl sneakily pushes her agenda in their faces every chance she gets. Bl is the only one who gets to speak on the matter. She can't let go. She has to shove her opinion down their throats.
There's only on acceptable way of thinking over there, and it's Bl's.
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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 105

....The problem is numerous posters here have said they don't enjoy talking about such things here because it gets too political. I don't recommend talking about shootings too much here since it quickly leads to gun control discussions which really is quite political and people get offended...

July 8, 2016 at 7:18 PM

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 171

The scariest thing about the attack in Nice is it just proves the point that you can take away everyone's guns pretty much like what France has done, and crazy people will still exist and still find other ways to kill masses of people. They're just getting more creative. We've got to go deeper than the guns. In fact, the hyper focus on the guns has caused us to lose valuable time.
July 14, 2016 at 5:14 PM

Anonymous said...

Becks is a dumbass. The end. She really tried to say "black lives matter" was violent and creating more division. No hun. Black Lives Matter was started to raise more awareness about police brutality among the black community. Saying black lives matter doesn't mean all other lives don't. It simply means black lives matter TOO. Stupid ass. And saying "all lives matter" is erasure towards the black lives matter movement.

-Kendall

Courtney said...

I agree Merry. It's hard to figure out why people stick around for Beck's crap. However, it does look like the numbers are dwindling over there. If not for Tucker's, PA Know-it-All, and Golly Gee Look it Isn't Redbird, and a very few others,that blog would be dead.
Who likes a bully? And that's exactly what Becks is.

Anonymous said...

You know, I'm not a Kate fan and never will be, but the hoopla being played out at Becks Spot is absurdly absurd. The photos of Kate with her new puppy on the stairs are really cute and there are no crotch shots at all. In fact, I think she has her legs displayed carefully and was making sure nothing was showing. I mean, come on people. They were really cute photos.

PJ's momma said...

Courtney, you made me laugh out loud. Thanks! Anonymous, couldn't agree more. I wondered if she was wearing running shorts. I do on 'at home' days. Woo hoo for elastic waists! Then I run in them the next day. Easy peasy. And they are shorter than soccer or basketball shorts. Who cares? She is not sitting spread eagled and is completely covered! That puppy is to die for.

Courtney said...

And again, Becks is allowed to talk about gun control. She claims that because a truck was used in Nice that means all terrorists don't use guns, therefore there is no need for gun control. Strawman your name is Becks.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 3

The scariest thing about the attack in Nice is it just proves the point that you can take away everyone's guns pretty much like what France has done, and crazy people will still exist and still find other ways to kill masses of people. They're just getting more creative. We've got to go deeper than the guns. In fact, the hyper focus on the guns has caused us to lose valuable time.
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Terrorism is not the only, or even the main, reason behind the need for serious gun control.


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Strawman argument. After the Orlando attacks all people could talk about was gun control, as if that were the answer. Yet, before and since then there have been an alarming number of terrorism attacks that never involved guns at all, several in countries who have very strict gun laws. One after the other.

Desperate said...

This is hilarious to watch unfold.

Becky and her crew desperately want the TLC Block Party to be a big fail. They think TLC should be supplying free food for everyone, and that only 100 people are in attendance and if there are more they're being bussed in. Becky has twisted herself into a pretzel trying to make it so.

PJ's momma said...

She is attacking one of her own again.

Why would free food be provided? Free admission for anyone who wants to attend AND free food? Tell me where that happens. Even at festivals and fairs where you pay to get in, you pay for food from vendors. We went to a free (weekly) public event a few days ago with art and tours and music. And food trucks! Good grief.

Nameless in LA said...

In her haste to denigrate Kate, the BL just admitted that she thinks like a teenager. No real surprise there.
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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 25

Yeah. I noticed Cara and Mady picked a sign I'd probably pick up. I am "me" and I am "limitless."

Kate, however, picks up a sign that makes it about others and implies that others have got it all wrong about her. Her sign is: "I am more than meets the eye." She can't help but constantly be trying to re-write the narrative and try to tell a differing story than what everyone else can plainly see. Even in the I am campaign she wants to keep peddling this idea that she's not really what she puts out there. Please.

merryway said...

Free food? Are they crazy. What a mob that would be. The bleeple would be crying out that TLC had to give away free food in order to get people to show up. Btw, TLC did donate 50,000 lunches to Feeding America.

If the bleeple can stand to see the truth, all they have to do is check #tlcblockparty on instagram. There are over 1800 posts.

There are way more than 100 attendees. Bl wants her posters to believe TLC paid and bussed in extras? Lol, she always asks them to believe the unbelievable and they happily swallow it down. (Just like Jon having 50/50 phys custody, LOL they loved hearing that lie).

The crowds are easily seen in the below links.

http://www.instagram.com/p/BH73MRyjhSI/?tagged=tlcblockparty
http://www.instagram.com/p/BH7uWd_gPhN/?tagged=tlcblockparty
http://www.instagram.com/p/BH70-kLAVup/?tagged=tlcblockparty
http://www.instagram.com/p/BH7vG-zhIhl/?tagged=tlcblockparty

Sage said...

I'm sure they did get a big crowd. It is perfect weather here...absolutely beautiful.

Altho, Chicago is close to me....I spent the afternoon visiting at the hospital with my new granddaughters.

stxmom said...

Congrats Sage! Love their names!

merryway said...

Awww, you got to see the babies! I'm sure it felt good to check on your daughter in person.

I saw several pics of Kate and the twins on IG.
Here's a tweet about the long lines at the Block Party.

LISA FALL ‏@LISAFALL23 1h1 hour ago
@Kateplusmy8 trying to meet you today but lines are just so long ��hard with little guy w broken leg

PJ's momma said...

Hope your tiny granddaughters are getting stronger each day!

Sage said...

The babies are holding their own. It is a roller coaster that's for sure!

They are micro preemies and are so tiny. Sadie is 11 inches long and Addie is 12.5 inches long. It is going to be a long road for them and their mommy and daddy.

Quiltart said...



Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 107
Well we learned something new about the sheeple this week, they're terrible at counting heads.
July 17, 2016 at 8:51 AM


Sorry, BL, the photos do not lie. Open your eyes.
Deliverence said... 101
Carole said... 98
Here's a tweeted pic that shows some of the crowd at the Block Party:

https://twitter.com/MeriBrown1/status/754408058357514240

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And another-

https://www.instagram.com/p/BH73MRyjhSI/
July 17, 2016 at 5:48 AM

Sage said...

Blowing In The Wind has left a new comment on the post "TLC Block Party":

Well we learned something new about the sheeple this week, they're terrible at counting heads.

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But are they good at counting their own flock when they try to fall asleep? ;)
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And it was reinforced what we know about the bleeple. whatever Becks tells you you all swallow.

What do you count when you fall asleep, Blowing. Mutilated teenagers giving birth?

merryway said...

Why do they always have to lie?
They will snoop and blow up pics, but ignore what's right in front of their eyes. If they were so correct in their hatred of Kate, they wouldn't have to make stuff up all of the time.
The event was publicized over social media and no ticket or RSVP was required to attend. I believe an RSVP was just a link option on the TLC website and no big deal.
Yet, they want to define the entire event but some off-the-side RSVP site that no one really cares about unless it's a requirement.
xxxxxxx

TLC stinks said... 119

It's possible 100 RSVP'd so TLC opened it up to everyone who showed up. It did appear more than 100 but not 1000.
July 17, 2016 at 4:39 PM

merryway said...

oops, that was supposed to be

Yet, they want to define the entire event BY some off-the-side RSVP

Anonymous said...

I just think it's hilarious how they're so heavily invested in this whole "how many people attended" thing as if it's that big of a deal. There were many pics posted from yesterday. Many people were there. They need to get over their crazy selves.

-Kendall

Quiltart said...

The PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE said there were lots of people and long, long, lines... and had photos to prove it... but BL the Omnipotent, know better.... She has proclaimed no one was there and they buy it. They are the sheep.

The conversation about the paps and who was at Kate's house was just as ludicrous. Once again,bleeps, for the millionth time, you do NOT know what happens in Kate's house. At all.

Micha said...

What do they gain by saying there were not very many people at the event? What do they lose by acknowledging that there were many people at the event? Do they want people to think that TLC is about to shut down? It can't just be about Kate since there were several other shows represented at that event. It's the most pointless sort of propaganda. Nobody loses or gains anything by perpetuating this lie, and if you saw footage of the event, you know the people saying there weren't very many people there are lying.

Desperate said...

Micha, their hatred for Kate extends to any and everyone even remotely connected to her, from TLC to Steve all the way down to teeny bopper fans. No doubt if one was to bump into Kate and say "excuse me" they would hate that person, too. We've seen how they bombard any company that dares to have the Gosselin's promote their product, tweeting vulgarities, etc. No matter what happens in their life, what they watch or read, or eat, or buy they relate it to Kate in some way. Their hatred has made them unhinged.

Sage said...

Unhinged is right and obsessed with Kate.

Desperate said...

Poor Beckster has her undies in a twist because she lost the numbers argument, so now she's looking for a fight about free food.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 128 Speaking of the no entrance fee, in the same breath they mentioned this was free, they talked up the food. If that doesn't strongly imply free food I don't know what does.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 129 It's extremely rude not to RSVP when asked to do so, nothing about that has changed. I find it nearly impossible to believe that only a tiny percentage of the crowds RSVPed.


Free food at an big event like that? Free food wasn't "talked up." The word for was in a completely different sentence. And who even knows why there was an RSVP request this year. The same thing happened last year. Hardly anyone RSVP'd then either. It's rude not to RSVP to a wedding or party if it's specified. But an open to the public event? That's ridiculous. She's got to have the last word.

Desperate said...

Actually what she's doing is hoping her groupies will post that they agree! Then she wins.

merryway said...

Ha!
Yeah, cause TLC sent out engraved invitations to all of Chicago. ;)

It was an itty bitty link on top of the TLC page. A small means to make more noise about the event, not a requirement or an etiquette.

Bl's assertion that there should be free food is beyond ridiculous. There are tons of "free events" where everyone knows vendors are selling food.

Bl lives in the world of the deliberately obtuse.

PJ's momma said...

You all are so right! That is soooooo silly! I live in a sports town and the only time you need to reserve a spot is if there are limited spots available (like a football training camp or an opportunity for kids to run the bases). If too many had shown up at TLC's event (in violation of fire code), they would have stopped admitting people. Lots of festivals and free concerts here too. Thousands of people DO go, including us, and we know there will be no free food provided. It would be a stampede if there was free food because we have a lot of people trying to survive on the streets. They still go to the events and someone buys their meals. Which is great! Because the event is for everyone. But nobody is giving free food away. No way.

Nameless in LA said...

Because they were asked to do so, and because there are some things that are common courtesy that never should be a "thing of the past." One should at least have enough respect for the person doing the inviting to let them who will attend so that they know how many people to expect.
$$$$$$$
They just can't be this inane. TLC invited the entire world! Apparently 7 billion people were supposed to RSVP or be deemed rude by the stupidest group of women on the planet.

Desperate said...

merryway said...

Bl lives in the world of the deliberately obtuse.


That's brilliant.

merryway said...

Beware reading at Bl's today, it is thick with stupidity. They are still talking
RSVPs and BL refuses to budge.
Bleeple, open wide and believe what Bl tells you. If it's hard to swallow, just wash it down with some of that rumspringa.

Nameless in LA said...

The Kate obsession continues...Omarosa gets a job in the Trump campaign and of course it's an opportunity to take a swipe at Kate. Apparently if Kate had just kissed Trump's ass a bit more she, too, could have found herself working for the Trump campaign. Maybe she could have been his Director of Outreach to High-Order Multiples Families. Blew it again, Kate.

July 18, 2016 at 5:27 PM
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 188

OT

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/omarosa-named-donald-trumps-director-912136?facebook20160618

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HA! That sounds like a fluff talking point job where she can't do any harm. Better than a real cabinet position! I mean, she did work in the White House. Trump always praised her for some reason, thinks she's great.

On another note, I think this just proves the point that it's in Kate's best interest to be kind to other people who have cropped up at various spots in her "career" over the years, and to maintain relationships. That includes saying hey, congrats, to someone doing well politically, without committing yourself to their campaign. It just might lead to a great job. Keeping those ties strong and nurturing your network promotes longevity. Say what you like about Omarosa, but she understands that basic concept.

Sage said...

Nameless...

'Maybe she could have been his Director of Outreach to High-Order Multiples Families. Blew it again, Kate.'

That is way too funny!! LOL

Anonymous said...

PA Dutch Mom said... 190
Donna Azbell ‏@thdonz 2h2

hours ago Covington, KY
@Kateplusmy8 @TLC Your daughters are looking more like their MaMa, they are adorable! Love your show, love your tenacity and creativity.

Oh yes. Mady and Hannah in particular look just like Kate. Not only do the fans have a problem counting, but they also have vision issues! ;-) I guess that's what happens when you wear rose-colored glasses for any length of time.
July 18, 2016 at 6:56 PM

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Let's be real. While all of the kids favor Jon, some of the kids do favor Kate. Collin looks the most like Kate. He has her nose and eyes. Alexis has her smile and so does Cara.They just don't want to admit it lmao.

-Kendall

Farkle said...

My take on not having free food at a festival that the BL thinks should be provided is that she only attends events that have free food. You know, she complained about her parents taking her to the Olive Garden when she graduated from college. Guess she would be the type to mooch off of others, instead of buying a lunch for herself.

As for her posters, I think a nursing home provides 3 meals a day, a couple of snacks, etc. Someone needs to worry about their own meals, vendors are at events to provide a service and sell their products. Duh, do these people ever leave home?


So glad the babies are doing better Sage, prayers sent for healthy girls to keep improving. :) A very busy time of year here, miss all you peeps. Back when school starts which won't be long now.

Courtney said...

The Beckspert blows again. This time the "troll" dared to disagree with Herr Becks about politics. I would bet anything that the "troll" is one of a few posters over there who have openly disagreed with her and it just happens to be their turn to receive the wrath of the Beckspert for doing so.


And let's keep in mind, troll, that 6% of the African American population is almost three million people!!! If some of that population is consolidated in certain swing states, which it certainly is, that could actually be a very important game changer. 6% of anything in a election this close could be a deal breaker, certainly when it constitutes three million.

Micha said...

I don't think anybody would look at the 8 Gosselin children, not knowing who they were, and think, 'wow, those kids look like Jon Gosselin,' except for maybe Mady, who I think does resemble Jon. I think Aaden has features that are similar to Kate's, as well as Alexis and Cara.

merryway said...

"Maybe she could have been his Director of Outreach to High-Order Multiples Families. Blew it again, Kate."

LMAO Nameless.

They are always inconsistent with their criticism. They accuse Kate of brown-nosing whenever she does mention or tweet to a celeb.

Anonymous said...

Aaden is the only kid where I don't see Kate. I even see Kate in Joel and he's the one that favors Jon the most to many people.

-Kendall

Quiltart said...

Aaden looks exactly like Jon's Dad. They showed film of him with the twins when they were babies.

Courtney said...

What difference does it make to the 15 posters if the kids look like Kate or not? Do they think that diminishes her parenthood if the kids don't look like her? I don't see why they go on and on about it. She's still their mother. Jon's still their father. What's the big deal?

merryway said...

TMZ has a story out on Jon working at TGIFs. Jon responded and then deleted his tweet.

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2016/07/jon-gosselin-now-works-at-tgi-fridays-donates-checks-to-charity/

Maybe this is old news, but I didn't know. Hailey does Jon's press? Wow, those two should not be together. I don't know what she's thinking involving herself with him. I do remember they were seen together in NYC sometime last year.

From Jon's twitter profile:

Father of 8, brother, son, boyfriend. Resident DJ, #thesenatedjs, Press Inquiries Hailey@haileyglassmanpr.com Manager Robyn Bryce RLBTalentManagement@gmail.com

Sage said...

Well looky here....Beckspert is wrong again! Jon is not raking in thousands and thousands of dollars DJing high school proms.

http://www.tmz.com/2016/07/20/jon-gosselin-tgi-fridays-job/

Quiltart said...

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2016/07/jon-gosselin-now-works-at-tgi-fridays-donates-checks-to-charity/

There are no words!

Sage said...

Well that explains why Jon gave the bitter interview with yahoo. When things are going 'good' for Jon you never hear from him.

When he is in the toilet, again, he lashes out at Kate and the kids. Bet the girlfriend dumped him too.

Quiltart said...

Giving his salary to charity? What a crock! I thought he couldn't afford CS or to go to court!

Sage said...

http://www.eonline.com/news/781387/jon-gosselin-explains-his-job-at-tgi-friday-s-and-why-he-is-really-proud-of-it


To be blunt...Jon is full of shit! Donate money to a friend my ass....try supporting your kids he claims to love.

Nameless in LA said...

In this week's edition of Bullshit Man, our hero works the saute line at TGIF's out of the kindness of his heart to help a friend in need. Because apparently in PA, jobs are so plentiful that the friend couldn't find one other person looking for paid work and would have left the good people of PA without their sauteed vegetables from TGIF's. Bullshit Man couldn't allow that injustice to take place! And for that extra special layer of steaming (make that sauteed) bullshit, our hero donated the $ earned to help CHILDREN. Not his own children, of course, since he doesn't support them.

Stay tuned for next week's edition of Bullshit Man, in which he comes up with a cure for cancer while sauteing some zucchini.

Sage said...

You nailed it, Nameless....and I love the name, Bullshit Man. LOL

merryway said...

LMAO, Too funny!!

Farkle said...

OMG, Jon's lies are getting bigger, just like his eyes when he talks. Charity? Wonder if his back taxes are building up? How about Jon paying cs support for his kids?

WTH is Hailey doing with him? Did I read that right? Press? Her Mother must be sooo proud of this. Once again, Hailey made her $ selling her stories about Jon. Must be two people who can't get full employment anymore, or is Hailey booking gigs and taking her share of the money that Jon owes her? I lost all respect for her over this.

Micha said...

I see Kate in Aaden, around the cheekbones. He's the only boy where I can really see Kate's bone structure in him. I don't remember what Jon's father looks like. All the girls at one time or another, I've seen Kate, in a smile, or the jaw line, the forehead. But just at a glance I wouldn't say that any of the kids look like their parents, with the exception of Mady, who looks like Jon.

Micha said...

Oh, Jon, he constantly makes himself look the fool. He gives money he earns working to charity because he doesn't need any extra income, it's not like he has 8 kids to support. He couldn't put that money into taking his kids out, or save it for his kids - they're well taken care of, just not by him. Isn't that the underlying message here? No need for Jon to give his own kids money, he can work in a kitchen, cooking for fun, and give his earnings away!

And of course Jon didn't forget to mention that he's estranged from one of his kids, and it's all his ex-wife's fault. I only read the Yahoo article and he didn't fail to mention that he doesn't see one of his kids and it's all Kate's fault. It couldn't have anything to do with you, Jon - it's always someone else's fault. Your lack of relationship with one (or more) of your kids has nothing to do with you.

And the haters will eat it all up, yet again, because delusion feeds delusion.

Sage said...

http://pagesix.com/2016/07/20/jon-gosselin-is-now-a-cook-at-t-g-i-fridays/

Sage said...

OMG...this one from Radar is the more real one. The insider being quoted sure sounds like Hoffman to me. He used to tell me he thought Jon was delusional and really thought fame was just around the corner.

LOL

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/jon-gosselin-line-cook-tgi-fridays/

Sage said...

There is a small audio here of Jon aka Bullshit Man giving an interview to a radio station this morning.

http://www.tmz.com/2016/07/20/jon-gosselin-tgi-fridays-charity/

Farkle said...

I just read the Radar story, no way Jon is giving his paycheck to charity. He can't get work as a DJ, seems his pr secretary is not doing a very good job. He can probably eat free and warm up food. Glad he at least can maybe buy groceries for himself. What happened to his live in gf and her kids?

Read the comments, one poster said she/he was so glad Jon was working and making a paycheck for himself. Guess they missed the charity part of Jon's story. :)

merryway said...

FTR:
It was just a month ago that Jon said he needed time and money to go back to go court. Now, he says he has time to kill and money to give to charity.

http://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/jon-gosselin-is-no-longer-afraid-to-speak-his-mind-210338955.html

June 22

Describing the situation with Kate as “bad right now,” he says he needs “time to go back to court,” but it’s expensive. He knows there is also a court of public opinion.

“People are always like, ‘Oh, I would fight so hard [for a better custody arrangement].’ I’m like, ‘Honey, you don’t have the money to fight that hard. Do you know how expensive court is? You have no idea.’ All the filings — and I do my own filings, then submit them to a law firm for stamp of approval — I have to pay for that. And pay all the court fees in the hopes that you’ll get something out of it. I’ve been going to court for seven years now. Unless you can arbitrate out of it and have a working relationship with the other parent, you’re going to spend a lot of money.”

Here's BS Man saying he doesn't take the kids on gigs because he wants their life to be normal. Uhm? going to your dad's DJ job makes your life un-normal? Plus, there's a couple of pics on IG where Jon has taken the kids.... the kids who still visit.

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jon-gosselin-works-at-tgi-fridays-as-a-hobby-w430071

Trompeter praised Gosselin for his charitable work at the eatery. “Jon’s part of our Friday family here,” he told Us. “He does a great job for me. He comes in and works and does the prep and he donates his paycheck every week.”

The dad of 15-year-old twins Mady and Cara, and 12-year-old sextuplets Alexis, Hannah, Aaden, Collin, Leah and Joel, said that although the kids have eaten at the restaurant before, they haven’t stopped in since he started working there. “I don’t want to mix that,” Gosselin said. “I’m trying to make their lives as normal as possible.”

Farkle said...

merryway--

Maybe Jon and the manager are sharing tips between them. LOL.

What a load of bs, Jon sold another story for $.

Where's his last soul mate?

Nameless in LA said...

In true alternate reality style, they are now speculating that Jon took the Friday's job as part of a strategy to land himself a celebrity cooking show slot.

merryway said...

Farkle, BSman and his latest soulmate were still together as of the 4th. I would think she might have a bit of a problem with Jon and Hailey working together. Like you, I can't believe it. Hailey was well out of that mess. Two of a kind, I guess.

Sage said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator has left a new comment on the post "TLC Block Party":

I hope the sheeple don't say anything cruel about Jon's job.

I'm sure there are many people who could be reading that have similar jobs. They don't deserve to get their feelings hurt. There is NOTHING wrong with Jon's job, and they need to let this one go.
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Because you never say or do anything hateful about Kate.

no self awareness
get therapy

merryway said...

Ha! Jon didn't "move on in short order." Obviously, the Beckspert didn't check to see how many exclusives Jon gave. After deleting his tweet, he gave an audio interview to TMZ, and exclusives to USweekly and Eonline. Jon loves any kind of publicity.

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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 121


....I think this was just typical Jon, getting mad over something silly, blurting something out, then over it and moving on in short order.
July 20, 2016 at 8:54 PM

Micha said...

Great point, merryway! Jon just can't seem to keep his lies straight. Not enough money to go to court for his children, but he can work a job and give that money to charity because he doesn't need that money. lol Oh, Jon.

Does anybody really believe anything Jon says about anything anymore?

Quiltart said...

I think even some of the bleeps are beginning to question him... as much as the BL will let them!

Farkle said...

merryway---thanks!

Jon was not mad, he needed coins again for bills, so he sold several stories. Jon's patterns are the same, no money, sell a story, for bigger money, bash Kate. Jon's biggest supporters over there should really take up a collection for him.

Quiltart said...

It was only a matter of time until one of the bleeps blamed Kate...
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Layla said... 148

I don't blame Jon for being unhappy about his TGIF job being made public. Remember, some of Kate's fans have publicly boasted about calling and harassing non-fans' employers and trying to stir up trouble, and even got at least one fired. Perhaps they have done that to his past employers. He wants to enjoy his work and not cause restaurant management or co-workers any grief. He just wants to do something he enjoys and not deal with any ugliness.

I also think he talked on the record because someone called him and basically said they were running the story no matter what he thought about it, so he might as well set the record straight rather than having people think he lost his DJ job.

I also wouldn't put it past Kate to leak the story (after perhaps hearing about it from one of the kids) to try to make Jon look bad. And to stir up some publicity.

Quiltart said...

He's back...
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http://www.eonline.com/news/781965/jon-gosselin-i-m-not-going-to-work-at-t-g-i-friday-s-anymore

Quiltart said...

and one more... so much for "Private Guy" Jon.. He can't keep his mouth shut! If one of his co-workers outed him, I'll bet the only thing he's upset about is not getting $$ for the interview.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/32509222/exclusive-jon-gosselin-has-no-plans-to-remarry-says-things-are-still-shtty-with-ex-kate

Farkle said...

Jon and work in the same sentence? See, when he can't perform a simple job, he quits. Wonder if Hailey will be supporting him again, and then run to the press when he takes all her money? Man, never would have thought she would hook up with that again, can we say desperate?

Don't kid yourself, Jon sold the story for coin, he will always blame someone else for his own mouth. He wants the pity party to continue, that way he can blame TLC, Kate, his kids, his failed lawyers, his back taxes, the estranged women, etc.

Maybe one of his super supporters sold the story?

Nameless in LA said...

Poor, poor BS Man. Where, oh where, has that "happy young man with wanderlust" gone? And how does Tucker's Mom know he was a "happy young man with wanderlust?" Maybe in her fantasies...
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Tucker's Mom said... 176
From the article:

"The father of eight is currently in a serious relationship, but tells ET's Jennifer Peros that he has no plans to remarry. "I don’t think there is a point in being married," Jon explains. "I mean, I might be spiritually, but there really isn’t a point. Our kids are grown now. I don’t know, I have mixed emotions about marriage. I do."

I have a feeling that Jon is really changed because of this ugliness. It's a shame. He sounds defeated and angry.
Jon was a happy young man with wanderlust when Kate sank her fangs into him. The ugly marriage and uglier divorce, which drama continue YEARS later, has taken a toll on him.
It's probably best he not marry anytime soon. He will never be able to give himself fully until he's not entangled with Kate any longer. No one deserves to be put into that blender of shit.
July 22, 2016 at 2:39 PM

merryway said...

Jon's talking negatively about marriage! According to bleeple rules that means he is throwing Kate under the bus and alienating her from the children.

This is my fave part of the interview. Oh what is a bleeple to do?

"...I’m not trying to stop the shows she’s doing now. Have I done anything to stop what she’s doing? No."

Sage said...

Yup, poor widdle Jonnie poo. Kate wanted him to be a man and he wanted to stay a widdle boy.

Quiltart said...

How are the babies doing, Sage?

Sage said...

This is hard....

Our sweet precious Sadie passed away Wednesday night. She went into septic shock. She was so tiny but fought hard.

She took her last breaths in her mama's arms.

We are heartbroken.

PJ's momma said...

That is horrible, Sage. There are no words to make it better....so very, very sorry for your loss and continued prayers for you all.

Nameless in LA said...

Oh, Sage, I'm so sorry.

Quiltart said...

I am so sorry, Sage. I was worried that we hadn't heard from you in a couple of days.You and your beautiful family are in my prayers.

Sage said...

Thank you.

This has been unbearably hard. My child hurts and I can't make it better for her.

Sadie was our beautiful precious angel.

Micha said...

I'm so sorry, Sage. Praying for your family.

Farkle said...

So sorry Sage, prayers for all of you.

Francie said...

I'm so sorry to hear about precious Sadie. Prayers for all.

Mimi said...

So sorry to hear about your sweet Sadie.Prayers for you and yor family.

Sage said...

Thank you all so much.

I put a picture on the sidebar of the first time Sadie was held by her Mama. Sadie is squeezing her Mama's thumb.


Sadie was born on July 6 at 11:42 pm weighing 1 lb 9 oz and was 11 inches long. She left us on July 20 at 11:40 pm.

belle fidele said...

You know Sage that we all feel your pain. It is so sad for you and your family. Beautiful picture of Sadie. I am sending you prayers, strength and love.

Sage said...

Thank you, Belle.


I want to add that Sadie's twin, Addie, is getting stronger. She is almost 2 lbs!

Quiltart said...

So glad to hear that Addie is doing well!

Nameless in LA said...

That picture is both beautiful and heartbreaking. Great to hear that Addie is getting stronger.

Sage said...

Tucker's Mom said... 77
They're likely going to go through what many child stars do when they can't transition to an adult career. The abrupt end of the love and attention has been a severe emotional burden for many child stars, per their own admissions. Like you said they're unique, and the chances that all of them will make this transition just fine is slim to none. Some of them are going to feel it, no question.
*******
Something about taking minor reality tv kids to fan events and signings really bothers me. Mady and Cara are being adored and worshipped for doing absolutely nothing.
They're not special or accomplished or talented in any ways that would make another child famous. They are just normal, average, mediocre kids-nothing wrong with that-who are being treated like celebrities because they're on tv.
There is something screwed up about that, and I hope they truly understand the world isn't going to worship them, throw money at them or give them free everything because their mother had 6 babies at once.
Although, I can definitely see Mady as one of those "Don't you know who I am?!" type of people, like her mother.

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Tucker is such a bitch. Mady is a child but she thinks that she is okay to attack because she is 'like her mother'.

Sage said...

NJGal51 has left a new comment on the post "TLC Block Party":

Sandie (@@SandieBellz): Your psychosis is showing.

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I read Becks black hole every few days believe me that is where psychosis lives and thrives.

no self awareness

merryway said...

Ruh roh, someone pulled the wrong sock out of the drawer.

IWantNobu said... 36

Not to get off topic but I'm curious if Kate gets the star treatment as she used when she goes into stores, salons, etc. I remember reading in Robert's book. The show started to take off, how Kate used to frequent a department store. The girl at the makeup counter stated that Kate stood there for almost an hour asking for makeup samples for several products. When all was done, the employee ringed her up and gave her the total. Kate was supposedly floored at how high the bill was and asked to speak with a manager. Kate said that " she wasn't used to paying for things". When the manager/ girl denied her request, Kate ran off in a huff and said that she would never shop there again. It was said that this department store had personally DONATED THOUSANDS of dollars worth of products in the past to the Gosselin family. How ungrateful and arrogant can one person be?? I can only hope she's treated like any other person.
July 23, 2016 at 6:44 PM


Gigi Be said... 39

I wonder if Kate still gets the star treatment when she's out and about as she used to? I remember reading in Robert's book, that Kate used to frequent a certain department store. Kate was standing at a makeup counter for almost an hour asking for makeup samples for lots of different products. This was when the show started to take off in ratings and popularity. When the cashier rang her up, Kate became agitated that the bill was so high. She demanded to speak to a manager. When the cashier/ manager dismissed her request, Kate stormed off in a huff and said that she would never shop there again. And more, this department store had donated THOUSANDS of dollars of merchandise to the Gosselin family in the past. Talk about being ungrateful and arrogant! I hope she is currently being treated like any other person.
July 23, 2016 at 7:08 PM

Sage said...

LOL LOL LOL nice catch Merry!


socks
stupid
too much wine

Anonymous said...

So Kate just announced that the show will be returning in October. Well bleeps, y'all spoke it into existence. Y'all kept b*tching about why her show has yet to air and there you have it.

Now they'll have something to talk about...��

-Kendall

Quiltart said...

Jon GosselinVerified account ‏@jgosselin10 8m8 minutes ago
SG needs to shut up... Good for Jon for answering her!

@ConcernedChick @Didiz81 @Kateplusmy8 no, I'm saying that their trusts were established by us, to pay for their education and such.
Jon GosselinVerified account ‏@jgosselin10 6m6 minutes ago
@ConcernedChick @Didiz81 @Kateplusmy8 I'm not discussing my kids finances and diversification of funds on Twitter, but school is paid for
Jon GosselinVerified account ‏@jgosselin10 5m5 minutes ago
@ConcernedChick @Didiz81 @Kateplusmy8 I don't agree with filming, but they are more than compensated with what u know or have read.
Jon GosselinVerified account ‏@jgosselin10 4m4 minutes ago
@ConcernedChick @Didiz81 @Kateplusmy8 15% refers to the states Cohan trust not the money we put aside for them. So drop it!!!

Micha said...

These people are never going to drop it, they're too obsessed with Kate and the way she earns money. They resent her for not working a traditional job and having what looks like a very "comfortable life," and they're fixated on her. There are plenty of reality shows that have kids on the shows. Does anybody ask what those kids get paid? Any "concerns" about those kids? And they don't realize how transparent they are, which at this point makes them an enormous joke. They think that if they say it's about the kids and their wellbeing that people will all automatically believe that it's about the kids and their wellbeing, and not about Kate and resentment and jealousy over her life at all. :)

merryway said...

Bl's posters are not happy Jon popped the balloon on one of their favorite rants. I saw one poster was questioning if it was really Jon's twitter. They began trying to twist Jon's words to fit their needs.

He's talking about the trusts J&K set up in their divorce proceedings. They are meant for age 18, college, etc. Even though Jon plainly says that Kate does not use these trusts for expenses, Bl has to spin it that Kate can access the account to pay for their k-12 education. Bl's poster can never understand for themselves. Bl is the queen interpreter and it's her job to tell them what to think.

As a reminder to Bl, Jon already stated that Kate pays for their private schooling. He said it in 2013 when he showed up on The View. I believe that was right after he shot his gun when a pap followed to his cabin in the woods.

http://my.xfinity.com/blogs/tv/2013/09/19/jon-gosselin-says-he-doesnt-pay-child-support-has-no-relationship-with-ex-wife-kate-gosselin/

"Gosselin also noted that he does not pay any type of child support to his ex. “[Kate and I] both support [the children] financially because she takes care of school and all that stuff, but I take care of the exact same things she takes care of,” he said. “I buy their own groceries. They have their own groceries at my house, their own bedrooms, their own stuff. It’s doubled.”

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 152

I think an element of this that is confusing is that people may be taking "Kate can't touch" the trust too literally.

I think what Jon might actually mean is Kate can't CHANGE the trust. In other words if there is a trust account set up to pay their private school, Kate wouldn't be allowed to dip into it and pay for a trip to Disneyland. It's not that she literally can't "touch" it to cut checks to the private school, but she does not have the power to change the terms of the trust. Obviously the parents (or some responsible adult) need to be able to access a trust set up for current schooling in order to draw from it in the first place.

This is how many trusts works and is completely normal. If someone sets up an irrevocable trust that you can only use money to buy dog food, that's the only thing you can do with it and there's nothing you can do to change it.
July 26, 2016 at 6:48 PM

merryway said...

Oops, meant to add this. Here's the tweet with Jon saying the money in the trusts belongs to the kids.

Concerned Chick ‏@ConcernedChick Jul 26
@Didiz81 @jgosselin10 @Kateplusmy8 Yes. She pays all their expenses with THEIR trust accounts. Unlike most parents who work to support kids

Jon Gosselin Verified account ‏@jgosselin10
@ConcernedChick @Didiz81 @Kateplusmy8 I'm not defending her, but that is not true! Their trusts are irrevocable, it's their money only. Sry

merryway said...

I forget this every time I post a comment. Doing it now before it leaves my mind again.
Re Jon not seeing all of his kids. What Bl doesn't tell her posters is that if there was a problem, Jon should have been offered supervised visitation to earn/prove he is fit and to reunite him with his children. There's a good possibility that Jon has refused to cooperate, given up or failed.

Quiltart said...

They will never accept the fact that Kate works, too... In fact, she works much more than the kids, and she takes care of her home and kids full time, too. They are so jealous of her they can't see straight.

Farkle said...

Someone has dirty socks over there. LOL.

I'm glad Jon shut down the chick who has had a huge crush on him for years and posted nasty stuff about Kate. Jon and Kate set up funds for the kids, yet all the non fans (6 of them on twitter) has been saying for years that Kate was spending their money. I loved the crush, he set her straight.


Sage, so glad Addie is doing well. :)

Anonymous said...

I'm so so sorry.

Sage said...

Formerly Duped has left a new comment on the post "TLC Block Party":

re: outcast tups. JMO but I think since the school expulsion, those two just aren't living up to the model of perfection Kate demands.Funny, because to me, these two seem the most likeable rather than the other squabbling girls who roll their eyes, talk back, boo-ed the boys' magic show and isolate A. The other boys seem fine but C and A are extra endearing at times.
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Duped...I think you don't get it. It is Jon who does not/not allowed to see the two not Kate. I remember that Dads round table interview where Jon talked about peeing in the driveway...anyhoo, I remember him calling the tup girls liars. There is your saint Jon.

Courtney said...

Kate is a Twit posted:
"I feel the people on this blog are just as irresponsible as the Gosselin kids’ parents in not giving those kids their right to privacy."
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And another one bites the dust. The number of posters with blind allegiance to the Beckspert is dwindling quickly.

PJ's momma said...

Courtney, I wonder if that was put through so that other people can pile on. It could have been held back and never posted. Wouldn't be surprised...

merryway said...

How convenient! (Doing my best SNL Church Lady.)
Bl doesn't concern herself with Jon's choices.

Such a hypocrite. Check out the contrast in a recent comment about Jon vs. an older comment about Kate. BL always diverts when it comes to Jon and it's always fine to slam Kate and the kids.

Courtney, Kate is a twit only spoke on respecting the privacy of the kids because Jon is getting some heat from some of the posters. Can't have people discussing the truth about Jon, gotta keep that denial pumping and the blinders on.
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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 41
If we truly care about those kids, we shouldn't want to know what the custody arrangements are, which kids Jon sees, and why he doesn't see others or what they're financial status is.

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I think you're absolutely right and I've gotten to a point of acceptance where this is really on Jon to do whatever he needs to do and I don't concern myself with his choices.

I am one of those who does not at all feel at all judgmental when he responds the way he does, it is hard to stay silent when it's about such emotional matters of the heart. It's easy to say don't say anything when it's not your kids.

I do feel a little uncomfortable though asking people not to talk about this, even somewhat shaming them for talking about it, when Jon himself keeps bringing it up. That's like saying watch the top news story tonight, but you're not allowed to say anything about it to anyone. This is akin to this week's Gosselin "top news" story.
July 28, 2016 at 6:32 PM

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Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 18

Haters..they ARE NOT YOUR KIDS! U have NO say in how she raises them!

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No matter how many times you explain this to them they don't get it. Kate has made herself a public figure. In fact her entire image revolves around Kate as a mother and parent. As such, we can freely comment on her mothering, parenting, anything else she puts out there, and we can certainly comment on her kids and how she raises them if we want to.

We can even speculate how the kids feel and it doesn't matter if you don't like that. Deal with it. It's America.

If she does not like this, she is free to remove herself from the public eye with a polite request to be left alone, and I will honor that. She has made her choice to be public, and your issue is really with her choice, not us.
July 17, 2014 at 9:05 PM

Quiltart said...

Funny, I haven't seen Kate giving interview after interview for the sole purpose of bashing Jon. They can say what they want, but just because she is on TV does not mean she is fodder for their ridiculous and hate-filled comments. Jon has put himself out there much more than she has, IMO.

Kate is a twit said...

merryway said...

Courtney, Kate is a twit only spoke on respecting the privacy of the kids because Jon is getting some heat from some of the posters. Can't have people discussing the truth about Jon, gotta keep that denial pumping and the blinders on.
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Merryway, so you can now read my mind and know why I spoke?

My point was to call out people who say that they care for the kids, but continue to want to know or assume to know what is going on in the life of those kids. Whether you support Kate or Jon, it's nobody's business what is going on in their kids' lives, financially or otherwise.

IMO, BOTH Kate and Jon are guilty of using their kids for their own agenda. People at 15, plus people here, assume(or speculate) to know what is going on. But the truth is we DON'T know and perhaps will never know. And as far as I'm concerned, it's none of our business. Unfortunately, BOTH their parents seem to want to make it our business.

I wish BOTH parents would STFU.

Micha said...

Just like "we" can "speculate how the kids feel and it doesn't matter if you don't like that. Deal with it. It's America," Jon and Kate can say anything about how they feel about each other, about their children, about their situation, Kate can have her kids filmed for reality TV, Jon can say he objects but have no say in the matter and it doesn't matter if "'you' don't like that. Deal with it. It's America."

The same thing has to go for Jon and Kate and the kids. Nobody's breaking any laws as far as I can see.

merryway said...

Hey KIAT, You're a blog historian, you know exactly what is said over at Bl's. Yes, I think your timing is very suspect. Lol, you're suddenly concerned with respecting the privacy of the G kids? I'm no Beckspert, but I've read your comments. I've seen you participate in plenty of discussions regarding finances and custody arrangements. You were a big fan of RH's supposed reveals.

It sure took you long enough to speak up. After all these years of hateful words and speculation on Kate and the kids, you're just now saying something? Suddenly had a change of heart? Good for you.

Even for Bl's posters, it's hard to deny that something is very wrong with Jon as a father when he hasn't seen Collin and with some of the kids refusing to see him. Bl wants her posters to believe that all Jon has to do is call the police to enforce a visitation order.
Jon has taken the fun out of the game of hatred.

Courtney said...

Maybe the timing of KIAT's post is suspect. Or maybe it is just the end of the rope, so to speak. KIAT appears to be sick of the hypocrisy of that blog claiming to want to protect the kids, while talking non-stop about the kids.

In his Twitter posts, Jon asked people to stop speculating about the kids and finances. Obviously, Becks won't even respect her buddy Jon's request. To point out that Becks is a raging hypocrite shouldn't be held against KIAT just because at one time she was a regular at 15.
Like many others seem to be doing lately, maybe KIAT is realizing that blog isn't about protecting those kids as much as its a format to glorify the Beckspert and her huge ego.

merryway said...

It's always a possibility Courtney. I don't know.... Seems to me this is something more along the lines that Rhymes With Witch would say. She hasn't posted since May. ;)
I wonder what happened to her? Rhymes and KIAT are such good friends that KIAT has been known to post comments for Rhymes.
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Kate is a twit said... 40

I haven't posted in a while, and I don't plan on posting much in the future. One of the reasons I joined this blog was my concern for the kids. I felt that they were both manipulated by both their mother and father, and used as pawns in their parents’ quest for fame...

July 28, 2016 at 6:18 PM

stxmom said...

Glad to see Jon speak out and clear up the financial misinformation. It's not our business but it's good to see Jon shut down the rumors. Now we know, according to Jon, Kate does single handily financially support the kids.

Sage said...

I just want to let everyone know that Sadie's twin, Addie, is doing well and thriving. Her weight has gone up to a little over 2 lbs. She has a feeding tube and is fed every 3 hours and that is making a big difference. She is feisty and they have to 'restrain' her as she keeps pulling out her breathing tube and IV's. Love, love watching her kick and wave!

I put a picture of her on the sidebar.

PJ's momma said...

Wonderful, Sage!!!

Quiltart said...

What wonderful news, Sage! Addie has many cyber-aunties pulling for her!

Sage said...

I know Quiltart....and it warms my heart. I don't want to be one of those kind of grandmas that puts everything out there....but, I am feeling so relieved over Addie's progress!

So proud of my daughter...she is so strong!

Quiltart said...

Sage, Your daughter has an excellent role model!

Micha said...

That's wonderful news, Sage! Continued prayers for your precious Addie and for little angel Sadie.

Nameless in LA said...

Such great news, Sage. Keep fighting, little Addie.

merryway said...

Addie is a feisty precious little bundle. Wonderful pic Sage, continued thoughts to her and your family.

Shawn said...

I love that....Cyber Aunts!

xoxo to Addie

Farkle said...

Wonderful news Sage, she is a fighter, sending wishes for a stronger Addie everyday.


Wonder if Katetwit (not sure of her name) posts at the other blog, or is the worship still deep of a fetish birth site owner? Of course, just asking because I would think protection of third world young woman would concern her. After all, all kids matter.

merryway said...

Lol, KIAT lost no time posting, informing the blog that Kate and the kids were spotted at a movie theater in Chicago.

Was just looking at twitter. Jon had some gig coming up where he advertised he was supposed to be interviewed by Entertainment Tonight. But, ET hasn't done an article or a segment. I'm having deja vu. Didn't that happen once before? ET was supposed to be at a gig and didn't show up?

Anyway, noticed that Hailey is no longer Jon's contact for press inquiries. That's a good thing for Hailey.

@jgosselin10
Father of 8, brother, son, boyfriend. Resident DJ, #thesenatedjs, Press Inquiries Manager Robyn Bryce RLBTalentManagement@gmail.com

Farkle said...

merryway, Is Robin his current squeeze? I don't remember the last gf's name.

merryway said...

Farkle, her name is Colleen Conrad. She can be seen here at 2:00 dancing the night away in a dress that the bleeples would never forgive if worn by Kate. I remember this one because Jon was wanting to be on The Apprentice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hMMKMh7VQE

Sage said...

PA Dutch Mom has left a new comment on the post "TLC Block Party":

What's more, how does she know the reasons Jon is having issues with the kids isn't DIRECTLY related to parental alienation and directly on Kate's shoulders?

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Goody knows nothing. She's just blowing smoke, or maybe something else. Out of all Kate's strange fans, she's probably the weirdest and I think the scariest. Robert devoted a few pages in his book about her, and that speaks volumes.
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And you know nothing either! Out of all the people that write, tweet and comment Hoffman is the weirdest and I can say that because I had an email encounter with him for months!

Why is it so hard for any of you to just admit that Jon is not blameless in all of this?

no self awareness
delusional

Quiltart said...

From Ms. Goody on Twitter:
I tweeted a personal apology to Jon Gosselin for something I said six years ago out of anger and l deleted it 10 minutes later. Six years ago I tweeted I wish Jon got hit by a car, in coma for 6 months but totally healthy after months of rehab. I just wanted him and girlfriend #6 to STFU and stop selling information about Kate, separation/divorce and children to television, print and digital tabloids.

Why did I delete my personal apology to Jon Gosselin? Today, I read something disturbing about him.

Remember when Jon went on the talk shows and gave magazine interviews and stated he hasn't seen his son Collin in almost two years? Well, it looks like one of Kate Gosselin's nosy haters went to county courthouse to review their children's visitation arrangement.

Low and behold! Not only has Jon not seen Collin, he has not seen one the the girl tups. Funny Jon didn't mention that. He didn't mention it was a family court order. If he did folks would have questioned him. Not only that, the daughter he hasn't seen by court order didn't hear her dad on Wendy Williams and Steve Harvey TV shows express concern for not seeing her. What an immature and cruel thing to do! Daddy Jon is only concerned for Collin...not his daughter.

Now....let me see if I got this right. According to one of Kate's nosy haters, Jon does NOT have custody. He can have unsupervised visitation every other weekend and Tuesday dinner. In actuality, he usually has 3 kids on the weekend. Cara and Mady choose to do "whatever" and don't visit Jon that much.

The man doesn't pay child support. He's a DJ and he had a 2nd job cooking at T.G.I.F. before TMZ made fun of him working (I disliked TMZ for that). And to top it off, Jon stated he gave his restaurant check to charity instead of to his children. What...the....f**k?!?!

Some of Kate's hardcore haters like to remind me of what I tweeted about Jon six years ago. I have publicly stated I was wrong for tweeting that. I just wish wish those hardcore, hateful and harassing witches would have the same indignation for Jon when he went on a reality TV show (Celebrity Couples) and said he wished Kate would fucking die. Crickets.

Do you know one of the things I admire about Kate? She keeps mouth shut even when she KNOWS Jon is lying.

I've been #TeamKate since 2009. I won't be switching to the "other" team. #Hello

Quiltart said...

SMG. Some things never change. As usual, BL is blind...
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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 199
I think Jon's ease with getting along with most everyone in the Couples Therapy house including the therapist, his numerous friends, his healthy contact with biological family, and his ability to have long term relationships with decent women other than Kate, suggest it's not him that is the common denominator here. I think the only big part of him that is influencing this visitation issue is his apparent refusal to force the issue. While I think his passiveness comes from his heart being in the right place and not wanting to "hurt" his children by amping things up, what you learn working in family law is that sometimes children need to be forced to do things they don't want to do or think they don't want to do in order to move forward. The old one step back two steps forward. That's why we are the adults and they are the children. Jon won't do that because he just doesn't have it in him, and that is an issue.

Not to mention we've seen his abilities as a father multiples times on the show and could compare it to Kate as a parent. We have a pretty good lens on this more than most.
August 2, 2016 at 7:45 PM

Anonymous said...

GollyGee said... 118
Shannon Doherty of 90120, was just recently diagnosed with breast cancer and now says it has spread to her limp nodes.

God bless her.



I just had to bring this over.
I work in healthcare and only the truly undereducated don't know the difference in limp and lymph.

Gollygee is right!!!!!

Quiltart said...

So much for their supposed "critical thinking"...

Doctor's in the house said...

I just had to bring this over.
I work in healthcare and only the truly undereducated don't know the difference in limp and lymph.

Gollygee is right!!!!!



Fer shur. My nodes were very limp. My doctor said to water them more in this heat. Now they're perky again!!!!!!

merryway said...

Oh, so it does look like ET showed up to interview Jon. He's still giving the same ole interview.
Here he is sounding noble for leaving his family to chase fame, women and money. Also, if you read the interview, his reasoning for not seeing Collin and others is very lame.

"You know, I kind of walked away from everything so that my kids can have a life," he shares. "So that they would be taken care of, in their house, and things wouldn't change, because I knew I could survive."

Ultimately, he says, he would love more than anything to develop stronger relationships with his kids, especially Madelyn and Cara.

"They're moving into womanhood," he notes. "They'll be 16 in October. I hope I can talk to them and develop a relationship in the future. But there's a lot of stuff that has to go on before that."

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/08/03/jon-gosselin-hasnt-seen-all-8-his-kids-together-in-3-years.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

belle fidele said...

Read the article Merryway and Jon is full of s.... I wish an interviewer would ask him real questions for once.

Courtney said...

Merryway, my apologies for trying to give KIAT a little benefit of the doubt. I knew I made a mistake when I saw her tracking the kids whereabouts in Chicago, but haven't had time to post an apology.

Jon's interview with ET is just plain crap. He let 13 year-old kids decide how his custody would be executed and then wants to play "oh-poor-me" later. It doesn't work that way. Kids need the adults in their lives to make adult decisions, even if that decision is contrary to what the child says they want.
Jon can't have it both ways. He can't take the easy route and try to be a friend to his kids instead of a parent, and then complain that his lackadaisical approach failed. Kids need structure and a schedule. Even an every other weekend visitation schedule provides structure and when it's properly executed shows the kids that the non-custodial parent loves them and wants to be with them. A parent who gives up that time shows the opposite.

Sorry for the long rant, but Jon's excuses and double talk have worn thin.

merryway said...

No worries Courtney, no worries.

There's some video of Jon's interview.
Jon does his laundry at a laundry mat because he doesn't have a washer and dryer?
He sees Kate at the bus stop but doesn't talk to her.
He's still pitching shows.
There's two videos. (I think it's only two).
He's really pathetic. I can't believe how he uses his children for publicity.

http://www.etonline.com/news/194738_exclusive_jon_gosselin_talks_estrangement_from_his_kids/

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Sage said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator has left a new comment on the post "TLC Block Party":

Did Jon bring up again about visitation publicly? What's his end game? If the kids are not seeing him, it's his call to make legally. See ALL the kids or shut up and go to court, damn the expense


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He doesn't even need to spend money! He already HAS a visitation order for the children, all he needs to do is contact Kate and tell her he intends to enforce the order the next time he sees the children, and expects her to make all of them available. If not, he will request assistance from the police department to ensure she turns over all of the children to his care.

It's as simple as that, and it's free.

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Becks is really dense. If there were a court order for Jon to see all the kids...believe me he would enforce it for publicity reasons alone. Jon sees the kids he is allowed to see.

franky said...

wow. I still read both blogs because the h8 on h8 is unreal. Both blogs only pick what they want to hear, then crow like a rooster at sunrise to say they are right. Wow. Even when Kiat posted here after she , too, left 15, some of you attacked her whilst crowing to the rooftops almighty.

The other blog has the church ladies, I have you, thank you for keeping me entertained.

Micha said...

I like your comment, Courtney. It's true Jon needs to be the one to set the rules for the days he gets with the kids. If the kids are given the option by Jon, and he doesn't continually make an effort to get them to see him, maybe they think the message is that Jon doesn't care whether he sees them or not. He's the adult in the relationship and he has to make sure that they know he cares and wants to see them, even if they may be going through rocky times with their dad. The casual approach can lead to misunderstandings and hurt feelings. It feels like he's constantly giving interviews about who he's not seeing and claiming he doesn't know why. That must be very frustrating to the kids involved. Imagine Collin hearing that Jon gave an interview and stated he hasn't seen Collin for a year or more but does NOT know why! What Collin must think of that!

Quiltart said...

Jon must be hungry again. Guess he needed that fry cook job after all. He's been selling a lot of interviews lately.

Sage said...

Tucker's Mom has left a new comment on the post "TLC Block Party":

The whole Collin thing is a mystery to me. Just because he has some disability is no reason for him to not see his dad if so ordered by the court.
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Wild horses couldn't stop me from seeing my son who obviously has challenges, to the point of being kicked out of school and ultimately leaving to be home schooled.
How could you not insist on seeing him with your own eyes? Not be there for medical and teacher meetings which I'm sure has happened and is happening?
Although enlisting the cops to make visits happen could be upsetting in the short run, like many other things about their childhood, the kids will grow up and realize that Jon did what he had to do to preserve his relationship with them.
At this point, I fear some kids will be lost forever.
What an awful outcome and I don't get how fans don't see how extraordinarily sad this is.
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Some of the fans, including many who post here, believe it is incredibly sad. I have said in the past that I wished Jon would pull his life together and grow up for his kids.....he choose not to.

Sage said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator has left a new comment on the post "TLC Block Party":

realize that you think Jon is Father of the Year, but maybe, just maybe, some of his own children have legitimate issues with him. Or maybe, just maybe, the one child in particular who seems to have some type of issue requiring special attention would not handle that well.

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It should occur to YOU they maybe just maybe they don't want to visit because Kate alienates them from Jon and they want to please Kate. The most obvious explanation is usually the correct one. Going down speculative rabbit holes usually gets you stuck.
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Well Becks, you have been stuck in that hole for years.....and it shows.

no self awareness
stuck in a hole

merryway said...

Lol, "The most obvious explanation is usually the correct one." That's hysterical coming from B. Bl has written yards and yards while she twists out excuses for the things Jon has done.

Ugh on the parental alienation crap. A made up theory that ignores the voices of abused children. To Bl, it is more important that she be right than to admit this visitation is ordered by the court in the best interest of the children.

It's incredible how much of Bl's unbelievable garbage they swallow. They really believe that if Jon wanted to visit with his children, all he would have to do is call the police to enforce an order. Yeah, right.

Still no answer on why Jon would hand over legal custody of his kids to such a horrible abusive mother.

Quiltart said...

It has never occurred to them that JON is the alienator. He's the one going on ad nauseum in interview and interview about his visitation and his lack of relationship with Kate. When was the last time Kate gave an interview to bash Jon? The Bleeps and haters on the blogs keep saying she does this, but I'd love to see the interviews they are talking about, because there haven't been any.

Sage said...

After what has been observed about Jon he would call the police in a minute, after he alerted the tabs, if he had any legal standing for all the kids to visit him.

He gives interview after interview saying the same thing about not seeing the kids and claims he doesn't know why. Please.

Sage said...

Tucker's Mom has left a new comment on the post "TLC Block Party":

CC said... 94
And I don't think anyone here thinks Jon is "Father of the Year."
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Right, and no parent is perfect. However, anyone who watched J+K+8 saw how loving Jon was with the kids. He got down on their level, played, loved on the
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But, but didn't you all say the show was scripted? According to that scenario Jon was told to look loving and give the kids baths.

Micha said...

The "obvious" explanation is that all of the kids have a choice whether to see Jon or not, and some choose not to. Saying that the "reason" is that Kate has alienated the kids from Jon is pure speculation.

Quiltart said...

Please. Those shows with Jon ending when they divorced in 2009. They are basing everything they swear about Jon on shows they saw from 2007 to 2009. Same goes for Kate. They have no idea what either parent does with the kids... or doesn't do. Except, of course, for the BL's magic telescope into Kate's house that makes her an expert.

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